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kenaan12mattip matrixmath 11515520aea2f8 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/test/test_numarray.py: some code-prettyness changes00:45
kenaan12mattip matrixmath 114147caee4ec6 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: adding set_shape, some tests pass, some fail00:45
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kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 11e7f4fc3d64b9 15/pypy/: changed all checks for (int, long) to is_valid_int. I'm pretty sure that I made mistakes, we'll see ;-)00:55
stakkarspjenvey: thanks!00:56
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kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 11aee6d647b815 15/pypy/rlib/debug.py: the first glitch, expected01:10
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kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 11e317cfe7ae6a 15/pypy/: three more typos01:25
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nedbatI'm trying to run pypy in sandbox mode on webfaction, and am getting this error: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/512636/03:22
nedbatit is clear to anyone what I need to do to get this to work?03:22
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zookoIf anybody wants to help us port pycryptopp (a CPython API library) to cpyext/PyPy, then tomorrow would be the right day to do it, and we would be grateful: https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2011-November/006857.html03:44
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pjenveydon't think I have time for porting pycryptopp tomorrow but that would be sweet to have on pypy04:34
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CIA-6803fijal 07roundup * 10#939/Upgrade CPython stdlib to 2.7.2: 05:23
CIA-68[new] According to Raymond Hettinger 2.7.2 contains a lot of bugfixes over 2.7.1, we05:23
CIA-68should upgrade. * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue93905:23
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qbprogerare there plans to include sqlite3.dll with the windows distribution?05:53
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kenaan12mattip matrixmath 11fee2e7a857cd 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/interp_numarray.py: maybe found a problem, add comment instead of fixing it06:30
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fijalhi06:53
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mattiphi06:59
fijalmattip: hi06:59
mattiphi. I think I made a mess with reshape for slices.07:00
fijalyes?07:00
fijalon your branch?07:01
mattipI only have a little time now, I am adding transpose and arange in such a way that you can review them indepently of the reshape mess.07:01
fijalit seems carl should relook list-strategies07:01
mattipYes, on my branch07:01
fijalmattip: ok, cool, just make another branch maybe hten?07:01
mattipfjial: I just back up to a nice place within my branch, do the changes which creates a new head, then merge the head into the branch.07:03
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fijalok07:04
fijalhowever you feel is the best07:04
kenaan12fijal micronumpy-resync 111ea6c70d9971 15/: close old abandoned branch07:05
kenaan12fijal numpy-multidim-exp 11df45bf0c2ee7 15/: close abandoned branch, multidim support in trunk07:05
mattipgot to run, sorry.07:05
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fijalsee you07:05
fijalAlex_Gaynor: seems list-strategies are to be reconsidered a bit ;-)07:14
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kenaan12mattip matrixmath 11cdef93e5ffca 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: tests, implementation of transpose07:16
kenaan12mattip matrixmath 11bdc5b1762659 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: Merge transpose, reshape/shape07:16
kenaan12mattip matrixmath 11d306832a1934 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: test, implelent arange07:16
kenaan12mattip matrixmath 11688917aae267 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/test/test_numarray.py: add explicit test for arange float07:16
kenaan12mattip matrixmath 112c8f7428524d 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: Merge: arange, transpose ready for review07:16
kenaan12mattip matrixmath 115276f48f44f7 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/: Merge to avoid creating new head, not ready for review07:16
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fijalqbproger: ping?07:41
qbprogeryea?07:41
fijalqbproger: isn't there a download of windows dlls?07:41
fijalthere is no binary for windows yet07:41
fijalthough07:41
qbprogerI was using 1.607:42
fijalso, isn't there a download for dlls?07:43
fijalfor 1.607:43
qbprogeri just got the JIT zip file, and thought that'd have everything07:44
qbprogerI don't see a ling for dlls on the pypy page for the sqlite3 dll07:44
fijalno, there is a set of dlls07:44
qbprogerlink*07:44
fijalsomewhere07:44
fijalah fuck07:45
fijalI took the link down from pypy.org/download.html because we have no binary for 1.707:45
fijalgrrr07:45
qbprogerwhy not just include everything you need in the one zip?07:45
fijalhttp://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?familyid=A7B7A05E-6DE6-4D3A-A423-37BF0912DB8407:46
fijalI don't know, ask amaury07:46
fijalI'm seriously way out of my element here :)07:46
fijalhm,07:46
fijalthat probably does not include sqlite lib though07:46
fijalthen indeed, we should ship it07:46
qbprogeryea, i was just about to say..07:46
fijalso the latest nightly has it07:48
fijalhttp://buildbot.pypy.org/nightly/trunk/pypy-c-jit-latest-win32.zip07:48
fijaland 1.7 binaries will have it as well07:48
fijalbut someone has to go to the buildbot and click "ok" dialog boxes07:48
qbprogerah ok, just checking because I was surprised 1.6 didn't07:49
fijal1.6 is probably broken on windows anyway07:49
fijalas in the JIT leaks stack space as far as I know07:49
fijaluse the latest nightly07:49
fijalI'm sorry, but unless we get some windows developer, win32 will stay a second-class citizen :-/07:50
qbprogeri've been using 1.6 on windows... didn't notice anything07:50
fijalok, good07:50
fijalwe fixed some bugs07:50
qbprogercool07:50
Garenpypy was building on windows until stackless was enabled 07:54
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Garenanyone know the flag to disable that feature?07:54
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fijalGaren: --no-_continuations08:09
fijalor so08:09
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fijal--no-continuation08:10
fijalI would try that08:10
fijalhakanardo: hi hakan08:10
fijalhakanardo: I can try to help maybe with inheriting loop information to bridges08:10
Garen--no-continuation seems to be working08:11
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hakanardo_fijal: cool08:16
hakanardo_the idea was to store on every guard information about it's failargs08:17
hakanardo_to prevent that from blowing up what we intend to stor for each box in the failargs08:18
hakanardo_would be the index of the box among the inputargs08:19
hakanardo_then we would be ablt to get inte information we need about it from the short preamble08:19
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cfbolzhello08:20
Alex_Gaynorhey08:21
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qbprogerdoes pypy use PYTHONPATH?08:22
Alex_Gaynoryes08:23
qbprogerhmmmm i set it, but it doesn't seem to be getting used08:23
qbprogercygwin on windows though...08:23
qbprogerso i guess that's in a grey area08:23
qbprogeri wish there was a parameter to set that path08:24
qbprogeryea, it converts it to a windows path (i checked sys.path) even though on using cygwin08:26
fijalcfbolz: hi08:26
fijalcfbolz: weird nightly run08:26
cfbolzhey08:26
cfbolzwhy?08:26
fijala lot of green/red08:26
fijallike why did translation got slower?08:26
fijalqbproger: file a bug report, although it's likely low priority08:27
cfbolzfijal: bit annoying08:27
cfbolzand, as usual, impossible to find out08:27
fijalcfbolz: yes, but maybe we should rerun it before making decisions?08:27
qbprogerfijal: will do (probably in the morning though)08:27
fijallike it might be just flux in places08:27
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cfbolzfijal: guess so08:28
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Alex_Gaynorcfbolz: could be related to the fact that opaque pointers kill some optimizations in the JIT08:29
cfbolzAlex_Gaynor: but wasn't that mostly about opaque pointers to instances?08:30
Alex_Gaynorcfbolz: uhh, ask hakanardo_ I can't explain what exactly the effects are08:31
cfbolzAlex_Gaynor: rtfc, then :-)08:37
Alex_Gaynorcfbolz: I participated in this de-optimization by virtue of being hakanardo_'s rubber duck, isn't that enough?08:37
cfbolzAlex_Gaynor: yes, just saying that I think it's not the problem in our current context08:38
Alex_Gaynorcould be, do we have any other suspects though?08:39
kenaan12ctismer win64-stage1 11368cbded0c77 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/history.py: fix of is_valid_int call08:40
cfbolzyes, what quite slow is making large lists of ints, and then adding something else08:40
Alex_Gaynorpehraps we should log that08:41
cfbolzhow? using debug_log?08:42
Alex_Gaynorsounds like a good start08:42
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fijalcfbolz, Alex_Gaynor: I'm working on adding support for such stuff08:49
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bbot24Failure: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-32/builds/1862 [12hakanardo, jit-targets]09:52
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hakanardo_Alex_Gaynor, cfbolz: we cant move GETFIELD_GC or GETARRAYITEM_GC of loop invaraint unerased pointers out of the loops10:05
hakanardo_since that would place them at the end of any bridge going to the loop10:06
hakanardo_at which point the unerased pointers might point to some completpy different type of object10:06
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fijalcfbolz: did you rerun the benchmark run?10:13
fijalif not please do10:13
cfbolznow?10:18
cfbolzwhy not simply wait?10:18
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fijalI don't know, sounds like a good idea to me :)10:24
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lmatoshiya! I'm trying to use pypy with django and running into some issues. I'm running arch and have pypy installed w/o python2. In the compatability guidelines for django it is a little ambiguous. It says install "both" does that mean both django & pypy or does that mean pypy and python2?11:06
ronnylmatos: pypy is a implementation of python2, so its fine11:08
ronnys/is/has/11:08
lmatosronny: that's what I thought. I'm pastie-ing my error now11:08
lmatoshttp://pastie.org/private/cg62xtz5v1ydhma6givca11:09
lmatosI'm running django in a virtualenv if that means anything.11:09
ronnylmatos: what python did you use to make the virtualenv?11:10
ronnylmatos: you need to make a virtualenv with pypy as the python if you ant to run the stuff from it11:11
ronnylmatos: the error you see is a plain and simple import error due to pythonpath/sys.path11:11
lmatosronny: I'll try explictly declaring pypy. Thanks a bunch! I really appreciate it.11:12
kenaan12cfbolz disable_merge_different_int_types 1197c82160cdd7 15/pypy/rlib/rsocket.py: (bivab, cfbolz): be more consistent about unsignedness in rsocket11:18
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kenaan12cfbolz int-tag-untag-as-operations 11ffb908f712fe 15/: merge default (breaks some things, will fix in the next commit)11:35
kenaan12cfbolz int-tag-untag-as-operations 11b40390f48b0d 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/test/test_optimizebasic.py: can only untag odd ints11:35
kenaan12cfbolz int-tag-untag-as-operations 117ef7273f3fcc 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/intbounds.py: refactor the int_tag/untag optimization to fit the new style11:35
kenaan12cfbolz int-tag-untag-as-operations 11a34d6a413e8a 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/test/test_optimizeopt.py: same fix is needed here11:35
kenaan12cfbolz int-tag-untag-as-operations 118c0f8d14997a 15/pypy/jit/metainterp/optimizeopt/: test and fix: make constand-folding of int_tag not crash11:35
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bbot24Failure: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-64/builds/59 [12ctismer, win64-stage1]11:52
fijalAlex_Gaynor: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/512765/11:57
fijalthis is slow11:57
fijalprecisely the allocation inside the loop11:57
fijalwe should do something with it11:57
kenaan12fijal default 11c38223706f79 15/pypy/module/micronumpy/interp_numarray.py: oops, those two are unroll_safe12:04
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lmatosAre any of you using pypy with postgres?12:18
fijalI know some people are12:23
fijalnot me though12:23
fijalwith the ctypes based postgres driver12:23
lmatosfijal: do you have a link to that driver? is this the one you speak of? http://pypi.python.org/pypi/psycopg2ct12:28
fijalthere is a couple12:28
fijalthis is one of them12:28
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stakkarsamaury__: hi12:54
stakkarsI have a problem with win6412:55
stakkarstypes expects the array length to be a types.c_long12:55
stakkarsbut this collides with the symbolic.py:12:57
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stakkarswhich asserts carry.lendth.size == WORD12:59
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stakkarsarigato: hi13:31
arigatohi13:31
stakkarsI'm a bit stuck, because I don't know how to treat array length correctly13:32
stakkarstypes uses types.c_long13:33
stakkarsbut symbolic.py wants carray.length == WORD13:34
arigatoit should be a Signed13:35
arigatoI don't care what ll2ctypes uses13:35
arigatoll2ctypes just needs to be hacked at13:35
arigatothe rest should concistently use Signed13:35
stakkarsok? I was not sure if a different array layout will crash types, and the boehm gc13:36
arigato"types"?13:36
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arigatook13:37
arigatoctypes doesn't know about our strange arrays that contain the length explicitly13:37
arigatoit's all added by ll2ctypes13:37
stakkarsah, very good13:37
stakkarswhat about boehm, do I need to compile a hacked version or skip it, or will that be ok?13:38
arigatoboehm does not care, either13:39
stakkarsok, useless question. What you said about ll2ctypes was the missing sopt13:39
stakkarsthanks13:40
stakkarss/sopt/spot/13:40
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arigatohakanardo__: I'm merging default into the branch jit-targets, it should at least fix one failure13:58
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bbot23Success: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-32/builds/953 [12Carl Friedrich Bolz]14:22
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fijalhm14:31
fijalcfbolz: why did your run run on the same revision as the nightly???14:32
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fijalgrrr, simply no commits on trunk14:34
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stakkarsarigato: should I hack the _setup_ctypes_cache() mapping14:37
stakkarsand change lltype.Signed -> ctypes.c_long  a bit?14:38
Rhyolitebivab: hi14:43
bivabRhyolite: hi14:43
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fijalAlex_Gaynor: ping14:58
fijalhttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/512765/14:58
fijalthis one is slow14:58
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kenaan12arigo default 110bb2bc25fcfc 15/pypy/: (cfbolz, arigo)  Un- and re-hack the implementation of space.is_w().  This version might be faster.15:51
kenaan12arigo default 11b78a605fb452 15/pypy/: (cfbolz, arigo)  An equivalent refactoring for id().  Also fixes an extremely obscure failure.15:51
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kenaan12cfbolz int-tag-untag-as-operations 11cfe174db963f 15/pypy/rpython/memory/gc/minimark.py: a tagged int cannot move15:57
kenaan12cfbolz int-tag-untag-as-operations 118a15caf770b8 15/: merge15:57
hakanardo_arigato: merging default sounds good :)15:57
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arigatohakanardo_: ok15:57
kenaan12arigo jit-targets 11981a01601ac2 15/: hg merge default (a bit painfully)15:58
arigatoa bit painful because of conflicts here and there15:58
arigatocheck_loops() should not be used any more?15:58
hakanardo_yes, it's not merged since the sprint I think15:59
hakanardo_it's check_resops now15:59
hakanardo_and counts every resop15:59
hakanardo_(not only the loop)15:59
arigatoof course micronumpy evolved15:59
arigatotest_zjit contains tons of new check_loops()15:59
hakanardo_ok, there is a version of check_loops that prints the counts we want16:00
hakanardo_under the assumption that the test works as it is supposed on default16:01
hakanardo_it was killed in 03055b5850d316:03
arigatouh?16:04
arigatoI'm looking at the branch jit-targets, though16:04
arigatois that wrong?16:04
hakanardo_not if you want to fix the tests by hand16:05
arigatowhat is jit-refactor-tests?16:05
hakanardo_if you want to run the psudo automatic hack we did you could use the jit-refactor-tests branch as an intermediate step16:06
hakanardo_the intention of jit-refactor-tests was to refactor the test without changing any functionality16:06
hakanardo_I suppose we should have merged it...16:06
hakanardo_so what we could to is to rollback 03055b5850d3 on jit-refactor-tests16:07
arigatoI suppose it can be merged *now*16:07
hakanardo_then merge default in jit-refactor-tests16:07
hakanardo_then run all the new test_zjit tests on it16:07
hakanardo_that should print the counts needed16:07
hakanardo_it the check_resops calls that should replace the check_loop calls16:08
arigatowhy does jit-targets still has the check_loops() version that 03055b5850d3 killed?16:08
hakanardo_it does?16:08
arigatoyes16:08
hakanardo_hmm...16:08
arigatosorry, that's why I didn't follow you in the beginning16:09
CIA-6803serhat 07roundup * 10#940/Comparison with native application & cpython: 16:10
CIA-68[new] I wrote a tiny grep with multi-line match support, and compared its speed under16:10
CIA-68pypy 1.7 with grep and CPython 2.7.1 (on ubuntu 11.04 lapt ... * 14https://bugs.pypy.org/issue94016:10
hakanardo_it dosnt make sens, maybe some merge messup?16:11
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arigatoif you want to fix it, the next step would be to merge jit-refactor-tests into default, fixing the new usages of check_loops16:15
arigato(which I think is a good idea)16:16
oalDid you just remove some benchmarks?16:16
hakanardo_ok, I could maybe have a go at that tomorrow16:17
bbot213Exception: 15http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-32/builds/1863 [12Carl Friedrich Bolz, int-tag-untag-as-operations]16:17
arigatothank you16:17
oalhttp://speed.pypy.org/ a few days ago, one of the benchmarks were at 1.0 (on the yellow line), but now none of them are even close... So, removed, or great improvement?16:17
arigatooal: "slowspitfire" improved by 12% today,  I think16:18
arigatoothers were slowed down though.  maybe we fixed that today, we'll see tomorrow16:19
oalarigato: ah, yeah, it was one of the middle ones, so that's likely the one. I usually visit the speed center every other day to see if there are any changes. :)16:19
arigatoyes, today there were really changes, due to merging of the list-strategies branch16:19
arigato(it also gives the cool result that a list of integers really consumes the same memory than array.array('l'))16:20
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oalSo it optimizes lists of only one data type, int, booleans?16:22
arigatoonly special cases: lists of ints, or lists of strs16:23
oalOk :)16:23
arigatoeven lists of booleans are not special-cased, but the boolean objects are always shared, so it's not so bad16:23
arigato(of course with special-casing it could be turned into an array of bits)16:24
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oalI don't have a very good understanding of how the low level stuff works, but I find it very interesting that the improvements are this radical. I mean, it wasn't that long between 1.6 and 1.7 (?), and the benchmarks have improved a lot :)16:26
arigatoyes :-)16:26
zooko:-)16:27
zookoYou guys rock.16:27
arigatoit's really caused by continously working on it, either in the JIT (adding more optimizations that make any code faster), or in the object space (adding new internal built-in types, like list-of-ints)16:27
zookoSeriously, I've been around the compsci/engineering scene for a few years, and the PyPy project is exceptional.16:28
zookoWay to go.16:28
lucian you guys do rock :)16:28
oalYou deserve a big round of applause! :)16:28
arigato:-)16:28
MostAwesomeDudeI also approve! :316:29
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arigatozooko: you can also look at it in the opposite way: we took forever to build the basics, but now that they are done, there are many many "relatively easy" optimizations16:30
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arigatogaining 30% in a few months of work by a small team is what you get on new projects, not on today's gcc16:31
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zookoarigato: interesting perspective!16:37
kenaan12arigo default 1141640216dae5 15/pypy/module/_weakref/: Test and fix.16:37
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santagadaits time to start helping pypy and enjoy the compliments :)16:51
santagadaI'm a pypy hipster, I liked the project before it was fast16:52
zookoI just ran the setuptools unit tests on PyPy!16:52
zookoFound a bug.16:52
zookoIn setuptools unit tests.16:52
MostAwesomeDudeBugs in setuptools? No way!16:52
santagadazooko, setuptools or distribute?16:52
santagadazooko, because they are fixing those in distribute16:53
zookosetuptools16:53
santagadazooko, the one that supports pypy somewhat is distribute16:53
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zookosantagada: thanks.16:55
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arigatoAlex_Gaynor: re 5f1a23beccab17:34
arigatoI don't understand how it's supposed to work17:34
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arigato"comparing a unicode char to str char"17:34
arigatois a messy operation anyway17:34
arigatoe.g. the str char chr(128) is likely to be different than unichr(128)17:35
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arigatoah, you ended up commenting out anyway17:36
arigatobut you didn't revert the changes in pypy/module/pypyjit/test_pypy_c/test_string.py17:36
kenaan12hager ppc-jit-backend 11534792f69a1d 15/pypy/jit/backend/ppc/ppcgen/ppc_assembler.py: (bivab, arigo, edelsohn, hager): Fix strange bug by removing r13 from the MANAGED_REGS and adding a line of...17:37
kenaan12arigo default 1190157a3cb825 15/pypy/module/pypyjit/test_pypy_c/test_string.py: Backout 5f1a23beccab: the part that changed test_string.py was not reverted when the rest of the code was.17:39
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fijalhey18:18
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fijalzooko: why you think pypy is special?18:24
fijalor how do you observe it?18:24
zookoSeems to me a rare combination of (a) advanced "science" ideas, (b) rapid development i.e. the rapid performance increases we were talking about and (c) all the nuts and bolts of a real useful project -- test-drive development, compatibility, docs, error reporting, etc. etc. etc. that takes up the other 90% of the effort.18:26
Action: fijal debates "rapid" in b)18:27
fijalit took us forever to get the basics done as armin said18:28
fijalwe also said "once we got the basics done, it's easy"18:28
fijaland noone believed18:28
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santagadaa compiler translator that is fully tested... that seems special of pypy18:33
santagadarubinius is close on this, but then again, it is much smaller18:34
Action: zooko nods18:34
fijalit's also much less complex I bet18:35
fijalbecause it does not have the translation toolchain18:35
fijalzooko: ok, I get it18:35
fijalzooko: don't you think that "rapid development" comes from (a) and (c) really?18:35
fijalalso, it's not like the group of people is *that* small18:35
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santagadayep... so it doesn't really compare18:37
fijalzooko: academics call us "no real science"18:39
Alex_Gaynorfijal: pong18:40
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fijalAlex_Gaynor: have you seen my post?18:45
fijalit's ridiculously slow18:45
Alex_Gaynorerr link?18:45
fijalhttp://paste.pocoo.org/show/512765/18:45
Alex_Gaynorcan you paste the trace?18:46
fijaltrace?18:46
fijalfor slowness?18:47
fijalah well18:47
fijalit's not the operation that's slow18:47
Alex_Gaynoryes18:47
fijalit's malloc18:47
fijalif you move a = zeros out of the loop it's fast18:47
Alex_Gaynorraw mallocing 10000 element array is slow?18:47
fijalrepeateadly18:48
Alex_Gaynorso it's a GC issue?18:48
Alex_Gaynorarmin and carl broke translation18:49
zookofijal: ah. haha. :-)18:50
fijalAlex_Gaynor: :/18:50
Alex_Gaynorfijal: so you could remvoe addition and max from that example entirely?18:52
fijalAlex_Gaynor: yes18:53
fijalAlex_Gaynor: http://www.surf-forecast.com/breaks/Dungeons/photos/388318:54
Alex_Gaynorfijal: flow objspace tests are broken, which is the cause of the broken translation18:55
fijalwhat did they do?18:55
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Alex_Gaynorfijal: it was their commit to optimize is_w18:55
fijalpfff18:56
fijalshould they fix it or should we fix it?18:56
fijalor back it out18:56
fijal?18:56
Alex_Gaynorfix would be best, I'm not sure how to do it myself18:56
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zookoHm, I tried distribute instead of setuptools on santagada's suggestion (this channel earlier today), and it gives *different* errors when running its own unit tests under pypy 1.7. 19:26
zookoBleah.19:26
zookoI'm out of time for contributing patches to build/install tools for today...19:26
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