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| Ademan | I wonder if this isn't finishing because untranslated I swap too much | 05:25 |
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| Ademan | I'm "hung" at a PyString_AsString() operating on the same string as this | 05:25 |
| Ademan | PyString_Size(<* <C object Struct PyObject { c_ob_refcnt, c_ob_type } at 0x16f84758>>)->20971520 | 05:25 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: looks liek armin fixed the twised regression | 06:30 |
| fijal | yes | 06:30 |
| fijal | have you seen what was that? | 06:30 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: it was the letting **kwargs be traced iff `not kwargs` | 06:30 |
| Alex_Gaynor | that code was removed because it broke (f**0) | 06:30 |
| Alex_Gaynor | err f(**0) | 06:31 |
| fijal | yeah | 06:31 |
| Alex_Gaynor | but now it does both correctly :) | 06:31 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: did you see the sqlalchemy benchmark mike bayer made? | 06:31 |
| fijal | Creating cling, an interactive interpreter interface for clang | 06:31 |
| fijal | wow, that sounds cool | 06:31 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: no, I did not | 06:31 |
| Alex_Gaynor | http://twitter.com/#!/zzzeek/status/16157763621097472 | 06:32 |
| Alex_Gaynor | http://twitter.com/#!/zzzeek/status/16158114449465344 | 06:32 |
| Alex_Gaynor | http://twitter.com/#!/zzzeek/status/16681031406981120 | 06:32 |
| Alex_Gaynor | with sqlite the issue is obviously ctypes, I want to look at some traces for pg8000 | 06:33 |
| fijal | isn't pg8000 also ctypes? | 06:33 |
| Alex_Gaynor | no, it uses raw sockets I think | 06:33 |
| fijal | ah, ok | 06:33 |
| fijal | raw sockets are kind of slow | 06:33 |
| fijal | someone has to look into that | 06:33 |
| Alex_Gaynor | yes, but we're still faster :) | 06:33 |
| Alex_Gaynor | if it was ctypes and we were faster than pg8000 would need to have tons of nonsense to eliminate :) | 06:34 |
| fijal | sqlalchemy is scary btw | 06:34 |
| Alex_Gaynor | yes, a little, but it's pretty well done | 06:34 |
| fijal | I looked into tracebacks | 06:34 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I suppoes PyPy developers shouldn't talk about scary | 06:34 |
| fijal | and it's all __gets__ and stuff | 06:34 |
| fijal | well... | 06:34 |
| Alex_Gaynor | sounds like good for inlining :) | 06:34 |
| fijal | in a way our code is mostly rectangular | 06:34 |
| Alex_Gaynor | eh, what does that mean? | 06:35 |
| fijal | except we have all this fastpaths *until* you do stuff like this | 06:35 |
| fijal | I mean we don't use metaclasses for the fun of it | 06:35 |
| fijal | we sometimes do | 06:35 |
| Alex_Gaynor | pairtype? | 06:35 |
| Alex_Gaynor | __extends__ | 06:35 |
| fijal | anyway, what sqlalchemy should do is to generate code by metaprogramming | 06:35 |
| fijal | it won't be fast with this level of dynamism | 06:35 |
| fijal | like use __setattr__ on object at object creation and not custom __getattr__ | 06:36 |
| fijal | seriously | 06:36 |
| fijal | I can explain to zzzek if he's into listening | 06:36 |
| Alex_Gaynor | He probably would be, as long as it doesn't hurt on CPython | 06:36 |
| Alex_Gaynor | since that's where most users are | 06:36 |
| fijal | yeah, it does not | 06:37 |
| fijal | it's usually a serious effort though | 06:38 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I suppose suggest it, worst that happens is no one works on it. | 06:39 |
| Alex_Gaynor | TODO.append I guess | 06:39 |
| Alex_Gaynor | eh, I love when people do semi-nonsense like `foo == None` | 06:40 |
| fijal | it depends what your goals are | 06:41 |
| fijal | "make sqlalchemy uber-fast on pypy" | 06:41 |
| fijal | or something else :) | 06:41 |
| verte | and real nonsense, like enjoy == True | 06:41 |
| fijal | verte: you can have a custom __eq__ on enjoy but not custom __nonzero__!!! | 06:41 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: btw, what were you saying about numpy last night? | 06:42 |
| fijal | what what? | 06:42 |
| verte | fijal: well, there is no accounting for taste | 06:43 |
| Alex_Gaynor | something about "we can do better than that" I don't really remember, it was 4 in the morning | 06:43 |
| fijal | heh :) | 06:43 |
| fijal | I'm thinking about doing some stuff around micronumpy | 06:43 |
| fijal | and compile loops in real time | 06:43 |
| fijal | to have better locality | 06:43 |
| Alex_Gaynor | what does that mean "real time"? | 06:43 |
| fijal | so we can do better than providing just numpy.core | 06:44 |
| fijal | JIT | 06:44 |
| fijal | like a + b + c would become one loop and not 2 | 06:44 |
| Alex_Gaynor | and not allocate the intermediate array | 06:44 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I suppose first we should just have numpy.core, because that's orthagonal to optimized a + b + c I think | 06:44 |
| fijal | yes and no | 06:45 |
| fijal | well, I'll see | 06:45 |
| Alex_Gaynor | already we sohuld be much faster if users write custom algorithms, since we can unbox | 06:45 |
| kenaan | 03fijal 10r8008914 pypy/benchmarks 05A(/lib/mako/ .hgignore .hgtags CHANGES LICENSE MANIFEST.in README README.py3k distribute_setup.py /lib/mako/doc/ /lib/mako/doc/build/ Makefile /lib/mako/doc/build/builder/ __init__.py builders.py ... | 06:45 |
| fijal | I did not even start yet | 06:45 |
| fijal | yeah | 06:45 |
| fijal | but users don't do that | 06:45 |
| fijal | anyway | 06:45 |
| fijal | I want out of line guards first | 06:45 |
| Alex_Gaynor | don't they? I don't do any numpy so I'm just guessing here | 06:45 |
| kenaan | 03fijal 10r8009014 07M(pypy/benchmarks/benchmarks.py): Add mako benchmark ... | 06:46 |
| fijal | no, they're too slow | 06:46 |
| verte | which is why we have all these ufuncs | 06:46 |
| CIA-9 | 03fijal 07roundup * 10#596/Adding Mako template engine benchmark to benchmarks.: [resolved] Added in 80090. Sorry it took so long... * 14https://codespeak.net/issue/pypy-dev/issue596 | 06:47 |
| Alex_Gaynor | well, with pypy it can be fast I guess | 06:47 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: that does not matter | 06:47 |
| Alex_Gaynor | true | 06:47 |
| fijal | besides, a + b + c is better than writing a loop | 06:47 |
| Alex_Gaynor | i should stop inventing new work and help with jittypes I guess | 06:47 |
| fijal | I wonder what are rules for GCC vectorization btw | 06:48 |
| fijal | oh wow | 06:48 |
| fijal | there are some docs | 06:48 |
| Alex_Gaynor | probably the rules are whatever the current code does | 06:48 |
| Alex_Gaynor | o_O wow | 06:48 |
| fijal | gcc is so bad at docs that I usually don't even bother looking | 06:48 |
| verte | reading the gcc source is never enlightening | 06:49 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/307728/ | 06:51 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: W_Imap.w_func can be marked _immutable_fields_ right? | 06:54 |
| Alex_Gaynor | actually so can iterator_w right? | 06:56 |
| Alex_Gaynor | iterators* | 06:56 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I guess i should write tests | 06:57 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: pfff, another case for optimizations | 06:57 |
| fijal | note that removing guards is *always* good :) | 06:57 |
| Alex_Gaynor | yes, I'll write tests and commit later | 06:58 |
| Alex_Gaynor | pypy is the art of 3 second optimizations and then tests | 06:58 |
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| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: gcc accumulated such stuff over years and years | 06:59 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: tests or optimizations? | 06:59 |
| fijal | and we're not yet at the level of "this asm intructions would be cooler" | 06:59 |
| fijal | optimizations | 06:59 |
| Alex_Gaynor | yes someday we'll have to write better instruction scheduling, for now we can focus on big picture things | 06:59 |
| Alex_Gaynor | things that I can fix with one line of code: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/307733/ | 07:00 |
| fijal | how you approach instruction scheduling at all? | 07:00 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I don't know much, just that you use a DAG | 07:00 |
| fijal | for some obscure reason chrome thinks that all stuff that has no other favicon is wikipedia | 07:00 |
| fijal | are itertools looked at? | 07:00 |
| Alex_Gaynor | yes, I have trace that shows it | 07:00 |
| Alex_Gaynor | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/307734/ | 07:01 |
| fijal | ok | 07:01 |
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| fijal | good point on pypy-dev about pypy not showing up on "python performance" searches | 07:08 |
| bobbyz | fijal, just out of curiosity, what are out of line guards? I've seen you mention that work a couple times now | 07:13 |
| fijal | bobbyz: guards that are not within your code | 07:14 |
| fijal | but instead they invalidate assembler if you trip them | 07:14 |
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| bobbyz | hmm....trying to think that through. Would that have to do more with freeing mem allocated for assembler that has been recognized as no longer useful then? | 07:17 |
| fijal | sort of | 07:18 |
| fijal | but most gains come from the fact that you don't need all those annoying checks any more | 07:18 |
| bobbyz | ahhhhh, ok, now I see | 07:19 |
| bobbyz | interesting, I look forward to seeing that in action | 07:19 |
| fijal | well, I'm kind of busy with my day job so it might take some time | 07:20 |
| fijal | (it's not hard, just annoying) | 07:20 |
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| bobbyz | gotcha, well I'm in no particular rush...I'm just fascinated by the different approaches each of you are taking | 07:24 |
| bobbyz | hakan with his loop unrolling | 07:24 |
| bobbyz | you with these out of line guards | 07:24 |
| bobbyz | the jit'd ctypes module...all sorts of interesting things in development | 07:24 |
| bobbyz | I'm slowly learning a bit more about the pypy code base as well, but don't have enough time during the day to really dive in | 07:25 |
| fijal | heh :) | 07:26 |
| fijal | wellcome to the club I feart | 07:26 |
| fijal | fear | 07:26 |
| bobbyz | yeah, I envy those that are full-time supported to work on pypy | 07:26 |
| bobbyz | only a handful though right? | 07:27 |
| bobbyz | Armin and a couple others? | 07:27 |
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| fijal | noone is full-time | 07:28 |
| fijal | at most half-time | 07:28 |
| fijal | and it's armin anto and carl | 07:28 |
| fijal | "supported" | 07:28 |
| fijal | well, nothing stops you from doing a PhD and convincing your supervisor to work on PyPy | 07:28 |
| fijal | :] | 07:28 |
| bobbyz | lol, yeah right :) See you in 5 years | 07:29 |
| bobbyz | heh | 07:29 |
| fijal | coffee | 07:30 |
| bobbyz | sleep for me...good night, enjoy the coffee! Hopefully it's good coffee...probably better than anything here in the US | 07:32 |
| fijal | not sure | 07:32 |
| fijal | locals are not very big on coffee | 07:32 |
| fijal | good night | 07:33 |
| bobbyz | :) | 07:33 |
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| CIA-9 | 03virhilo 07roundup * 10#596/Adding Mako template engine benchmark to benchmarks.: [chatting] thanks * 14https://codespeak.net/issue/pypy-dev/issue596 | 08:17 |
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| fijal | sqlalchemy is sloooow | 08:41 |
| ivan | make pypy generate entire ORM frameworks | 08:43 |
| fijal | heh | 08:43 |
| fijal | ivan: it's about writing stuff in a sane style | 08:44 |
| fijal | like | 08:44 |
| fijal | "reduce level of dynamism" | 08:44 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: sqlalchemy makes up for tons of python code with doing less SQL calls, I guess it's our job to make python fast :) | 09:01 |
| fijal | well | 09:01 |
| fijal | yes and no :) | 09:01 |
| Alex_Gaynor | well our job with cooperation | 09:01 |
| Alex_Gaynor | grumble http://paste.pocoo.org/show/307752/ stupid cpython | 09:06 |
| fijal | yeah, I know | 09:07 |
| fijal | it takes 26s to pack 1M of data | 09:08 |
| fijal | that's *really* slow | 09:08 |
| Alex_Gaynor | I was considering switching Django templates to use StringIO, but I can't really if it's slower on CPython :/ | 09:08 |
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| jell | 26s for only 1M? | 09:13 |
| jell | omg | 09:13 |
| jell | fijal: try it on something younger thatn 486dx66 | 09:14 |
| jell | than* | 09:14 |
| fijal | can I turn on somehow eXception on warning? | 09:17 |
| fijal | done | 09:18 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: -Werror | 09:21 |
| fijal | it's slooooow | 09:25 |
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| Ademan | py.py seems to hang on a cpyext call PyString_AsString() which at worst should be a memcpy, the string in question is about 2mb, is it plausible that ll2ctypes is struggling with this? | 09:28 |
| fijal | yeah | 09:30 |
| fijal | it does insane stuff | 09:30 |
| Ademan | thanks, I guess it's time to make sure my branch still translates anyways | 09:32 |
| fijal | so | 09:34 |
| fijal | the dude asks on pypy-dev about missing attribute | 09:34 |
| fijal | and when I google what it does I get the very same post | 09:35 |
| ivan | Alex_Gaynor: how about an abstraction that uses += in CPython and cStringIO in pypy | 09:36 |
| fijal | Alex_Gaynor: honestly, looking at django templates, speed of string creation is by far not the most important part | 09:37 |
| Ademan | for that matter, WHY is cStringIO too slow in CPython? | 09:37 |
| fijal | how about making sure you dont' do a billion dict lookups? | 09:37 |
| ivan | Ademan: turning it into a str copies everything | 09:39 |
| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: I have a proposal somewhere for compiling django templates into nice python | 09:39 |
| Ademan | fijal: in numpy itemsize refers to the c value of an item, numpy.array([1,2,3], dtype=int).itemsize == 4 | 09:40 |
| Ademan | er I guess that probably doesn't apply to the long type | 09:40 |
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| fijal | that's __itemsize__ | 09:43 |
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| Ademan | grrr, debug_refcount somewhat needs kwargs | 10:04 |
| Ademan | actually, that stack frame nastiness can't be rpython anyways... | 10:05 |
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| Ademan | "[version:ERROR] No subversion revision number available!" Hehe, looks like I might need to sync with trunk :-) | 10:39 |
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| fijal | how do I merge .hgignore from default to branch? | 10:53 |
| ronny | fijal: you cant merge single files | 10:55 |
| fijal | that kind of sucks | 10:55 |
| fijal | ok, how do I copy .hgignore? | 10:55 |
| ronny | i think you can use hg revert for a single file or hg cat | 10:56 |
| fijal | "hg revert"? | 10:56 |
| fijal | I have .hgignore on default | 10:56 |
| fijal | and no .hgignore on branch | 10:56 |
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| fijal | arigato: mornign | 11:17 |
| arigato | hi | 11:17 |
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| antocuni | hi | 11:19 |
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| fijal | PyPy does not support '?' in structs | 11:40 |
| fijal | which is apparently C type _Bool | 11:41 |
| arigato | details++ please | 11:44 |
| fijal | struct.pack('?', 3) does nto work | 11:45 |
| fijal | it does work in CPython | 11:45 |
| fijal | and is documented | 11:45 |
| arigato | not in Python 2.5 | 11:45 |
| fijal | uh | 11:45 |
| fijal | ok | 11:45 |
| fijal | indeed | 11:46 |
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| CIA-9 | 03arigo * 6ae8db82e09f r40152 10bitbucket/.hgignore: | 11:47 |
| CIA-9 | Also ignore a top-level "bin" directory, which may be | 11:47 |
| CIA-9 | created by "pypy setup.py install". * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/6ae8db82e09f/ | 11:47 |
| CIA-9 | 03arigo * 83ebeb857ddf r40153 10bitbucket/pypy/module/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Bump the version to 1.4.1. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/83ebeb857ddf/ | 11:47 |
| CIA-9 | 03arigo * e503e483e9ac r40154 10bitbucket/: Making the release branch. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/e503e483e9ac/ | 11:50 |
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| arigato | would be convenient if amaury was here :-( | 11:59 |
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| Ademan | hurgh hg push is slow | 12:04 |
| CIA-9 | 03ademan * 2f54d43d54d6 r40155 10bitbucket/pypy/module/cpyext/test/test_floatobject.py: I must have been out of it when I wrote this test, PyFloat_FromString() takes a PyObject * * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/2f54d43d54d6/ | 12:07 |
| CIA-9 | 03ademan * 72d3c7738241 r40156 10bitbucket/pypy/module/cpyext/api.py: Changed logging cpyext calls to cpyext-call and moved function __name__ lookup to import time. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/72d3c7738241/ | 12:07 |
| CIA-9 | 03ademan * 8c5587a07805 r40157 10bitbucket/pypy/module/cpyext/floatobject.py: | 12:07 |
| CIA-9 | Implementation of PyFloat_FromString() is much closer to being correct, but the docs don't describe whether or not to set an error when it can't parse | 12:07 |
| CIA-9 | the string. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/8c5587a07805/ | 12:07 |
| CIA-9 | 03ademan * dcafe3478e6e r40158 10bitbucket/pypy/module/cpyext/pyobject.py: Fixed translation errors coming from using kwargs. debug_refcount is slightly less nice, but when used with cpyext-call it should be nicer anyways. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/dcafe3478e6e/ | 12:07 |
| arigato | I guess we should really move cpyext development to its own branch | 12:08 |
| arigato | instead of having it done in 3 different places | 12:09 |
| antocuni | probably it's the proper "mercurial way" to do things | 12:09 |
| antocuni | you can then easily merge it into both trunk and fast-forward | 12:09 |
| arigato | well it looks very wrong whatever vcs you use :-) | 12:09 |
| antocuni | arigato: no, I mean having a separate branch just for cpyext | 12:09 |
| antocuni | (basically, I agree with you :-)) | 12:10 |
| arigato | :-) | 12:10 |
| fijal | heh | 12:12 |
| fijal | I bet there are 7 people who would have their own opinions | 12:12 |
| fijal | eh :/ | 12:14 |
| antocuni | so, it looks like emails are working fine now | 12:14 |
| fijal | I have multiple required versions of py.test | 12:14 |
| Action: antocuni disables the bitbucket ones | 12:14 | |
| antocuni | if you notice that you do a commit but don't receive the mail, please tell me | 12:15 |
| arigato | pom pom I hate windows but I'm past hating it *actively* nowadays | 12:16 |
| fijal | arigato: :) | 12:17 |
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| CIA-9 | 03fijal * 1677c895cf0b r40160 10bitbucket/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 12:25 |
| CIA-9 | Reproduce the problem caught by test_ztranslation here. Invalidation of single | 12:25 |
| CIA-9 | bridge * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/1677c895cf0b/ | 12:25 |
| CIA-9 | 03fijal * a3422281e05e r40159 10bitbucket/pypy/jit/metainterp/ (test/test_basic.py test_outofline.py): Move out of line tests out of test_basic * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/a3422281e05e/ | 12:25 |
| antocuni | uhm indeed, the payload sent by bitbucket contains the commit unsorted | 12:27 |
| fijal | great? :( | 12:29 |
| antocuni | well, it's not to hard to sort them by revision | 12:30 |
| antocuni | s/to/too | 12:30 |
| arigato | pom pom "hg clone" takes forever on this windows box | 12:32 |
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| CIA-9 | 03antocuni * eafd7a336e51 r396 10bitbucket/bitbucket_hook/ (hook.py test/test_hook.py): make sure to send the emails sorted by revision number, because the bitbucket payload might be unsorted * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/buildbot/changeset/eafd7a336e51/ | 13:02 |
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| arigato | http://pypy.org/download/ | 13:40 |
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| arigato | the 1.4.1 release files are there | 13:40 |
| arigato | for linux | 13:40 |
| arigato | if anyone feels like downloading them and checking them :-) | 13:40 |
| arigato | (also, side challenge: why are they 2MB larger than pypy-1.4?) | 13:40 |
| Action: antocuni downloads | 13:41 | |
| antocuni | arigato: different compression level? | 13:41 |
| arigato | the mac32 is in "make", so it should follow shortly | 13:41 |
| arigato | antocuni: uh? | 13:41 |
| antocuni | to explain the different size, maybe one was built with bz2 -9 and the other wasn't | 13:42 |
| arigato | but -9 is the default | 13:42 |
| antocuni | then I don't know :-) | 13:42 |
| arigato | no, it expands to something really bigger | 13:44 |
| arigato | strip? | 13:44 |
| arigato | yes :-( | 13:44 |
| arigato | pff | 13:45 |
| antocuni | pypy 32 bit seems to work | 13:46 |
| antocuni | ah, and sys._mercurial returns ('PyPy', 'release-1.4.1', 'e503e483e9ac') | 13:46 |
| antocuni | which I suppose it's nice | 13:47 |
| arigato | :-) | 13:47 |
| arigato | fijal: if you have a comment about strip, now is the time, otherwise I'm just going to hack it again | 13:47 |
| arigato | "use package.py and not make_release.py" is fine as an answer | 13:49 |
| arigato | in that case I would love to see make_release.py disappear :-) | 13:49 |
| arigato | ah | 13:51 |
| arigato | ok, I see | 13:52 |
| arigato | https://codespeak.net/issue/pypy-dev/issue587 | 13:52 |
| arigato | causes "strip -x" to be executed, even on linux, which still keeps 10MB of symbols in the executable | 13:52 |
| arigato | but on Linux, cpyext seems to work fine even if the executable was fully strip'ed | 13:54 |
| jell | try http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/elfkickers.html sstrip | 13:54 |
| antocuni | it's a bit unfortunate that the tarballs extract to a directory which is different than their filename | 13:54 |
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| antocuni | e.g., you cannot extract *linux and *linux64 in the same dir | 13:54 |
| arigato | uh? | 13:54 |
| arigato | ah | 13:54 |
| Action: arigato fixes that | 13:55 | |
| Action: arigato also fixes: let's call "strip -x" on mac and "strip" everywhere else | 13:55 | |
| arigato | no clue what the exact rule is, however | 13:56 |
| CIA-9 | 03arigo 07roundup * 10#587/[PATCH] Plain 'strip' in package.py breaks cpyext on Mac OS X: [chatting] 'strip -x' leaves behind a lot of symbols, making the Linux executables 10MB bigger than they need to be --- it seems that a full 'stri ... * 14https://codespeak.net/issue/pypy-dev/issue587 | 13:57 |
| CIA-9 | 03arigo * 42ea9c611870 r40161 10bitbucket/pypy/tool/release/package.py: 'strip' fun. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/42ea9c611870/ | 14:00 |
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| CIA-9 | 03arigo * 6078d6bed05a r40162 10bitbucket/pypy/tool/release/make_release.py: Updates. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/6078d6bed05a/ | 14:08 |
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| arigato | antocuni: ok, updated with really-strip'ed versions | 14:14 |
| arigato | and added the macosx 32 version | 14:15 |
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| kenaan | 03arigo 10r8009114 pypy/extradoc/pypy.org/source 07M(compat.txt download.txt features.txt index.txt): Release 1.4.1. ... | 14:28 |
| kenaan | 03arigo 10r8009214 pypy/extradoc/pypy.org 07M(compat.html download.html features.html index.html): Regenerate html. ... | 14:29 |
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| CIA-9 | 03arigo * 008b5cf5174c r40163 10bitbucket/pypy/doc/release-1.4.1.txt: Add the announcement for 1.4.1. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/008b5cf5174c/ | 14:48 |
| kenaan | 03arigo 10r8009314 06D(pypy/extradoc/planning/1.4.1.txt): Kill this file. ... | 14:48 |
| kenaan | 03arigo 10r8009414 07M(pypy/extradoc/pypy.org/js/detect.js): Update. ... | 14:51 |
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| Action: arigato reads speed.pypy.org -- we seem to have gained an overall 14% over the last two months, not bad | 14:55 | |
| arigato | 28% over 100 days | 14:55 |
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| antocuni | arigato: is the "Antocuni" in the release announcement supposed to be my nickname or my actual name? | 14:57 |
| arigato | :-) | 14:57 |
| arigato | feel free to expand it to your actual name | 14:57 |
| Action: antocuni does, also for ronny | 14:57 | |
| arigato | thanks | 14:58 |
| antocuni | actually, for ronny I have to copy&paste it because I never managed to get it right :-) | 14:58 |
| arigato | :-/ | 14:58 |
| CIA-9 | 03antocuni * 79e4194c71d1 r40164 10bitbucket/pypy/doc/release-1.4.1.txt: put ronny first, and use the actual name because the capitalized Antocuni is really ugly :-) * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/79e4194c71d1/ | 15:00 |
| arigato | something is still wrong with "os.openpty" & friends not showing up in translated pypys | 15:00 |
| antocuni | did you translate them with pypy? | 15:01 |
| arigato | no | 15:01 |
| arigato | I even added asserts that they were really in interpleveldefs, and the asserts pass | 15:01 |
| arigato | but in the end, they are just not here | 15:02 |
| arigato | getloadavg() is there, for example, but not lchown() -- two recent additions | 15:03 |
| antocuni | does this also mean that these are completely untested at applevel? | 15:04 |
| arigato | absolutely | 15:04 |
| arigato | or else we have modified the tests so long ago that we forgot them | 15:05 |
| antocuni | ah, maybe they are tested but preceded by "if hasattr(os, 'openpty')..." | 15:05 |
| arigato | yes, that's also likely | 15:05 |
| antocuni | arigato: what about 1) putting the sys.recusionlimit point higher in the list, because it's anyway a difference with cpython and it's better to highlight it rather than to hide and 2) saying that our mechanism is better because you cannot really segfault even if you try? | 15:08 |
| arigato | 2) well, it's not completely clear that it's better, because you cannot go past the limit of 768KB (even on Linux where you can have 8MB of stack without problem) | 15:09 |
| antocuni | ah, didn't know | 15:09 |
| antocuni | why? | 15:09 |
| arigato | (but it was already the case in all previous versions of pypy) | 15:09 |
| arigato | just because we wrote "768KB" in src/stack.h | 15:10 |
| arigato | I think on Windows the limit is closer to 1MB than 8 | 15:10 |
| exarkun | does that mean it will segfault if you run pypy with a smaller stack limit than 768kB? | 15:10 |
| arigato | yes | 15:11 |
| exarkun | :( | 15:11 |
| exarkun | pthread_attr_getstack pls | 15:11 |
| antocuni | ok, so let's not say that it's better | 15:11 |
| arigato | "it's different" | 15:11 |
| antocuni | yes | 15:11 |
| arigato | exarkun: we welcome contributions, as you know :-) right now the issue is that writing "768*1024" is more portable than "pthread_attr_getstack()" | 15:12 |
| exarkun | I can't check out pypy anymore :( | 15:12 |
| antocuni | exarkun: why? | 15:13 |
| exarkun | because my hg is too old, I guess | 15:13 |
| exarkun | it doesn't support subthings | 15:13 |
| antocuni | ah yes, if it's too old you have troubles with svn externals I think | 15:13 |
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| arigato | ok, seems that pypy-1.4.1 really has posix.lchown() and others | 15:17 |
| arigato | it's only missing openpty() | 15:19 |
| arigato | I can only imagine by now some obscure issue, like posix.openpty() being undefined in the non-pty context of a buildslave translation | 15:19 |
| exarkun | that'd be pretty weird | 15:19 |
| exarkun | not exactly the same, but | 15:19 |
| exarkun | >>> os.popen('python -c "import os; print os.openpty"').read() | 15:19 |
| exarkun | '<built-in function openpty>\n' | 15:19 |
| arigato | eeeeh. I found it out | 15:19 |
| arigato | /usr/bin/python on tannit has no os.openpty | 15:20 |
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| arigato | why not?? | 15:20 |
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| CIA-9 | 03arigo * 4feaa37309b0 r40165 10bitbucket/pypy/doc/release-1.4.1.txt: | 15:25 |
| CIA-9 | * Reformat to a suitable e-mail width. | 15:25 |
| CIA-9 | * Move sys.setrecursionlimit() earlier. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/4feaa37309b0/ | 15:25 |
| arigato | bah | 15:30 |
| arigato | I'm trying a small custom extension module and it just segfaults at import-time on Mac OS X | 15:30 |
| arigato | but it works fine on Linux | 15:31 |
| arigato | it also works on CPython on Mac OS X | 15:34 |
| antocuni | uhm, is there a way to have a function call constfolded by backendopts? | 15:36 |
| antocuni | something like @jit.purefunction, but at translation time | 15:36 |
| arigato | @memo? | 15:45 |
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| arigato | cpyext does not work at all on Mac OS X | 15:49 |
| ronny | sup | 15:50 |
| arigato | hi | 15:50 |
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| antocuni | uhm, now I have a jit ffi test with long longs that mostly passes if I comment out the dump_storage() at the end of resume.finish | 16:09 |
| antocuni | else, I get an obscure "ValueError: Not a ctypes allocated structure" when trying to printing some box | 16:09 |
| antocuni | which seems to contain a dead array of chars (probably a void pointer?) | 16:10 |
| arigato | must be more or less the first time we try to run untranslated metainterp tests with things like raw pointers | 16:12 |
| antocuni | ah, ok | 16:12 |
| antocuni | I suppose it's when trying to jit this functions: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/307919/ | 16:13 |
| antocuni | (btw, can you think of a better way to do it without allocating things?) | 16:13 |
| antocuni | I suppose I can add dont_look_inside | 16:13 |
| antocuni | uhm, no | 16:14 |
| arigato | no, it should already not look inside | 16:14 |
| arigato | (yes: by writing it in C directly, see pypy/rlib/rstack.py) | 16:15 |
| antocuni | yes, but it doesn't help, I still get the error | 16:15 |
| arigato | (sorry, it's in pypy/rlib/rmd5.py) | 16:15 |
| arigato | well of course, adding dont_look_inside doesn't change anything | 16:15 |
| arigato | moreover, written that way, it doesn't give standard-compliant C code | 16:17 |
| arigato | a C compiler may decide to reorder the read before the write | 16:18 |
| arigato | it's all a bit of a mess | 16:18 |
| antocuni | are you sure? I thought C compilers need to be pessimistic about aliasing | 16:18 |
| antocuni | but I agree that writing a bit of custom C code is probably a better idea | 16:19 |
| antocuni | (eheh, then it won't work on CLI :-)) | 16:19 |
| Action: antocuni off | 16:23 | |
| antocuni | see you | 16:23 |
| arigato | see you | 16:23 |
| antocuni | ah, I committed but forgot to push :-) | 16:23 |
| CIA-9 | 03antocuni * c4da81b326ca r40168 10bitbucket/pypy/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 16:23 |
| CIA-9 | make test_slonglong_args "mostly" passing with the jit: it fails when trying | 16:23 |
| CIA-9 | to print some debug info, it will probably be fixed by rewriting | 16:23 |
| CIA-9 | longlong2float and float2longlong in C (which is a good idea anyway) * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/c4da81b326ca/ | 16:23 |
| CIA-9 | 03antocuni * 4a34e0e14528 r40166 10bitbucket/pypy/rlib/test/test_libffi.py: make the condition a bit clearer and more explicit * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/4a34e0e14528/ | 16:23 |
| CIA-9 | 03antocuni * 1651aae99e79 r40167 10bitbucket/pypy/rlib/ (libffi.py test/test_libffi.py): support for ulonglong * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/1651aae99e79/ | 16:23 |
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| CIA-9 | 03arigo * 9dc9d95b8be0 r40169 10bitbucket/pypy/doc/release-1.4.1.txt: | 16:36 |
| CIA-9 | cpyext does not work on Mac OS X. Document it as such and do the | 16:36 |
| CIA-9 | release anyway. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/9dc9d95b8be0/ | 16:36 |
| CIA-9 | 03arigo * c407c9dc5382 r40170 10bitbucket/pypy/doc/release-1.4.1.txt: Mention it here too. * 14https://bitbucket.org/pypy/pypy/changeset/c407c9dc5382/ | 16:39 |
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| CIA-9 | 03dmalcolm 07roundup * 10#612/1.4.1 source tarball embeds .svn directories: [new] FWIW, the 1.4.1 source tarball contains numerous ".svn" metadata directories. $ md5sum ../../SOURCES/pypy-1.4.1-src.tar.bz2 ebbbb156b1eb842 ... * 14https://codespeak.net/issue/pypy-dev/issue612 | 21:57 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | cool, all the fastforward test results are nonsense ATM :/ | 23:53 |
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| Alex_Gaynor | fijal: ATM there are a much of failures in the _io lib (on fast-forward) like http://buildbot.pypy.org/summary/longrepr?testname=AppTestBufferedRWPair%28%29.test_constructor_with_not_writable&builder=own-linux-x86-32&build=1300&mod=test.test_bufferedio | 23:56 |
| Alex_Gaynor | is tehre a way to fix this besides adding __del__? | 23:56 |
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