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| pedronis | fijal: ping | 09:29 |
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| kenaan | 03david 10r7118914 pypy/lang/prolog/branch/continuation-based/prolog/interpreter/test 07M(test_callable_interface.py tool.py): extract parse method to tool module ... | 11:00 |
| kenaan | 03david 10r7119014 pypy/lang/prolog/branch/continuation-based/prolog/interpreter 05A(test_specialized_terms.py) 07M(term.py): Add specialized classes for terms with a certain amount of arguments ... | 11:00 |
| kenaan | 03david 10r7119114 pypy/lang/prolog/branch/continuation-based/prolog 07M(termconstruction.py helper.py test_unification.py): update stuff to accept other term classes ... | 11:00 |
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| cfbolz | hello | 11:19 |
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| kenaan | 03david 10r7119314 pypy/lang/prolog/branch/continuation-based/prolog 07M(__init__.py database.py test_builtin.py): fix some database related xfailing tests ... | 11:20 |
| kenaan | 03david 10r7119414 pypy/lang/prolog/branch/continuation-based/prolog/interpreter 07M(term.py test_unification.py): Use specialized terms for up to 3 arguments ... | 11:20 |
| kenaan | 03david 10r7119514 07M(pypy/lang/prolog/branch/continuation-based/prolog/interpreter/term.py): remove debug message ... | 11:20 |
| pedronis | cfbolz: hi | 11:23 |
| cfbolz | hi samuele | 11:24 |
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| hpk | mornings | 11:30 |
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| cfbolz | pedronis: ping? | 11:48 |
| pedronis | cfbolz: pong | 11:57 |
| cfbolz | it seems we might need to vacate cobra | 11:57 |
| cfbolz | we need to do some server reshuffling here | 11:58 |
| pedronis | bit of a mess buildbot wise | 11:58 |
| cfbolz | :-( | 11:58 |
| cfbolz | I feared that | 11:58 |
| pedronis | let me check which runs are typically on it | 11:59 |
| cfbolz | a subset of: pypy-c-app-level-linux-x86-32, pypy-c-stackless-app-level-linux-x86-32, pypy-c-Ojit-no-jit-linux-x86-32 | 11:59 |
| pedronis | it all weill take longer with only wyvern basically | 12:09 |
| pedronis | (hoping that buildbot doesn't get too confused) | 12:09 |
| pedronis | I mean try to schedule too much stuff | 12:09 |
| cfbolz | pedronis: we will get some machine back after the reshuffling | 12:10 |
| pedronis | ok | 12:10 |
| cfbolz | do you think it will be fine for the meantime? | 12:10 |
| pedronis | hopefully yes, we'll see | 12:10 |
| cfbolz | ok | 12:10 |
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| cfbolz | the actual shutdown will only be end next week | 12:11 |
| cfbolz | so till then nothing bad happens | 12:11 |
| pedronis | I will not be much around at that time though | 12:13 |
| pedronis | (still at pycon) | 12:13 |
| cfbolz | right | 12:13 |
| hpk | pedronis: could you maybe connect some machine from OE's side? | 12:13 |
| Action: cfbolz lunch | 12:14 | |
| pedronis | only my box maybe, all out machines are quite busy | 12:14 |
| hpk | i just remember jacob saying that there was some extra machine for pypy planned, but that probably takes a while or so | 12:14 |
| pedronis | (that's why there's was the idea of getting a benchmark server) | 12:14 |
| cfbolz | maybe we can schedule a bit more on bigdogvm1 | 12:14 |
| hpk | how much RAM is needed these days? | 12:15 |
| pedronis | 1.5G? | 12:15 |
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| xorAxAx | http://xkcd.com/303/ | 13:21 |
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| fijal | hi | 14:58 |
| fijal | pedronis: pong | 14:59 |
| cfbolz | hi maciek | 15:10 |
| Action: fijal is a bit lost in timezones | 15:11 | |
| pedronis | fijal: the talk you were thinking of, is it the ep2008 gc talk? | 15:15 |
| fijal | yop | 15:16 |
| kenaan | 03david 10r7119814 07M(pypy/lang/prolog/branch/continuation-based/prolog/interpreter/term.py): Unify signature for special class constructor ... | 15:18 |
| pedronis | fijal: ok | 15:18 |
| fijal | cfbolz: what is davide doing? | 15:24 |
| cfbolz | david | 15:25 |
| cfbolz | refactoring prolog | 15:25 |
| cfbolz | to be more jittable | 15:25 |
| cfbolz | unfortunately we are discovering limitations in the JIT | 15:25 |
| fijal | suprise | 15:26 |
| fijal | which one especially? | 15:27 |
| cfbolz | if you have complex virtuals, then optimizefindnode has bugs | 15:28 |
| cfbolz | if you have any sort of aliazing, optimizefindnode gives up | 15:28 |
| cfbolz | (and in prolog you always have aliasing) | 15:28 |
| exarkun | those sound like the good kind of limitations, that can be fixed simply by programming a bunch? | 15:28 |
| cfbolz | exarkun: yes, for a certain definition of "a bunch" | 15:29 |
| exarkun | but the whole jit probably doesn't need to be rewritten from scratch after 3 more phd theses? | 15:30 |
| cfbolz | we hope not :-) | 15:30 |
| cfbolz | exarkun: well, twisted seems to be a bit of a problem for a tracing JIT | 15:31 |
| exarkun | so I've heard | 15:31 |
| cfbolz | (or event loops in general) | 15:31 |
| exarkun | fijal said something about stack depth | 15:31 |
| fijal | not precisely about stack depth | 15:31 |
| cfbolz | also the fundamental assumption (a loop often follows the same path) is not true | 15:32 |
| fijal | but just calling a lot of stuff | 15:32 |
| fijal | cfbolz: it's not fundamental too much, since we have bridges | 15:32 |
| fijal | no? | 15:32 |
| cfbolz | it still is | 15:32 |
| cfbolz | if you really have megamorphic call sites, you have a problem | 15:32 |
| fijal | ok, however this is a bit less of a problem | 15:34 |
| fijal | (as sometimes it really does follow the same trace) | 15:34 |
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| fijal | but the length of the trace is far too big | 15:35 |
| pedronis | but we have things we do in that case | 15:36 |
| fijal | yes, except we still spend forever tracing | 15:36 |
| pedronis | but it's also true that megamorphic code means more chances | 15:36 |
| pedronis | to get traces that are too long | 15:36 |
| cfbolz | also if you have a couple of megamorphic calls in a row | 15:36 |
| cfbolz | you get exponential behaviour | 15:37 |
| pedronis | (we also don't really merge tails) | 15:37 |
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| amaury_ | fijal: thanks for the post on python-dev | 16:04 |
| fijal | amaury_: well, up to some point I'm trying to be politically correct | 16:05 |
| fijal | but I'm sort of fed up by negative PR some people are doing | 16:05 |
| amaury_ | so am I | 16:05 |
| fijal | I guess a link to our benchmarks of computer language shootout to this discussion would be a bit of a blow to us merge | 16:05 |
| fijal | (that US is 2x slower on things) | 16:06 |
| fijal | because there is an assumption somewhere in the air that US is faster or the same speed | 16:06 |
| fijal | it's probably fixable though | 16:06 |
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| fijal | amaury_: I don't want to enter my-benchmark-is-the-best pissing contest though | 16:08 |
| fijal | well, even on their benchmarks we're faster on django | 16:10 |
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| pedronis | see you | 19:26 |
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| mwhudson | hm, i can't seem to log in to wyvern or cobra any more | 20:37 |
| mwhudson | oh | 20:37 |
| mwhudson | -p 922, right? | 20:37 |
| hpk | think so | 20:50 |
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