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kenaan03benjamin 10r6560814 pypy/branch/parser-compiler/pypy/interpreter/pyparser 05A(pygram.py) 07M(test_metaparser.py): test the metaparser by running it on Python grammar files ...00:42
kenaan03benjamin 10r6560914 07M(pypy/branch/parser-compiler/pypy/interpreter/pyparser/pygram.py): remove import ...00:43
fijalgutworth: I see you're having fun00:44
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gutworthyep00:44
gutworthI'm going to enjoy svn rming the old parser when I get to that00:45
fijal:]00:45
fijalsvn rm is awesome00:45
fijalmy favorite00:45
fijalmwhudson_: ping00:53
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gutworthcan you store None in a variable which contains ints?01:43
fijalno01:44
gutworthI didn't think so01:44
fijalthat's the main thing people bump into when trying to run existing programs in rpython01:44
fijalthink about how this would look like in C01:44
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kenaan03fijal 10r6561014 07M(pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/metainterp/compile.py): actually pass guard_op instead of bridge. Change laying in my wc, changes ...01:50
gutworthI do, but I was almost hoping for  r_int { int value; int is_none }01:50
fijaleh :)01:51
fijalcwillu: yes?01:51
cwilluignore me, xchat opened to this channel, I saw None's being placed into int holders, and my fingers just did their thing01:52
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fijalcwillu: you're welcome :)01:52
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fijalraymondh: hi02:19
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mwhudson_fijal: hi02:50
getxsickfijal: dong02:50
fijalgetxsick: ding02:50
fijalmwhudson_: what would you do if I tell you that pyrepl is not behaving correctly with unicode input?02:51
mwhudson_fijal: be a little bit surprised02:51
mwhudson_it's possible your terminal doesn't use the encoding pyrepl expects02:51
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fijalmwhudson_: basically possible02:52
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fijaloh no02:52
fijalwrong02:52
fijalI cannot use xkbmap I would expect to use02:52
fijalit gets confused if I press Alt-stuff02:52
fijaló02:55
fijallike this02:56
fijal02:56
fijalor this02:56
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fijalheh :)03:44
fijalgutworth: what do you think about unicode having new method btw?03:49
raymondhmwhudson_: ping03:56
mwhudson_raymondh: hi03:57
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raymondhHere's a link to the contributor form: http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/03:58
raymondhThe instructions and the snailmail address or fax number is on http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/03:58
fijalmwhudson: are you a contributor?04:00
mwhudsonfijal: well, i have contributed a lot04:00
mwhudsonnot recently04:00
fijalright04:00
fijalbut does it mean you need to sign it post-factum?04:00
fijalmwhudson: weren't you involved in zombie frame opt?04:01
fijalI'm wondering how to achieve effect of not allocating frame for the jit04:03
raymondhJust mark on the form that it for past contributions as well as future.04:03
mwhudsonfijal: need, probably not04:05
mwhudsonbut it's a good thing if i do04:06
mwhudsonraymondh: ok04:06
raymondhThx! :-)04:06
fijalraymondh: do you know how psyco handles this case?04:06
fijalprovided it does not inline a function04:06
raymondhWhich case?04:06
fijalthe case when you have to call something04:06
fijaland you call it pretty often04:06
fijaldo you allocate the frame for the callee?04:06
fijalbecause psyco only inlines functions that has no control structures, is this correct?04:08
raymondhi don't remember.04:08
fijalk04:09
fijalso you're not working on psyco any more :)04:09
raymondhstopped about a year ago and handed it off to tismer04:09
raymondhlearned a valuable lesson04:09
fijalwhich is?04:10
raymondhnever wary of mucking with code where the words psuedo, virtual, and meta all appear in the same sentence ;-)04:10
fijalhehehehe04:10
fijalwell, psyco is probably too smart for it's own sanity04:11
raymondhalso, if the original author abandoned a project, perhaps it was for good reason04:11
fijalI think it's really bad psyco never had any reasonable contribution when armin was still working on it04:12
fijalthis might have improved things04:12
raymondhI think not.  It is very fragile code and hard to contribute to.04:16
fijaldo you think it is fragile because of technical limitations of the code or it is fragile because writing a jit for python is hard?04:17
fijalor is it fragile because it tries to both have a jit and integrate with cpython?04:17
raymondhNo, the problem is that it is easy to make mistakes with compiler assumptions and then get failures that are far removed from the code that caused them.04:22
fijalso it is inherent problem with compiler?04:23
raymondhNo, just the metalanguage for writing psyco has few clues if get the tiniest thing wrong.04:27
fijalmetalanguage?04:28
raymondhI'm the wrong person to ask about it though.  I never did develop sufficient understanding to grok psyco as a whole.04:28
fijalis there any good person to ask though?04:30
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raymondharmin!04:31
raymondhor you can load the pysco source tree, and use it's disassembler to get a view of exactly what it is doing.04:32
fijalwell, as you said, he left for a reason04:32
raymondhAFK04:39
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kenaan03arigo 10r6561314 pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/backend/llvm 07M(runner.py test_runner.py): Rewrite the LLVM logic so that execute_operations() is no longer a simple ...11:57
kenaan03arigo 10r6561414 pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/backend/llvm 07M(runner.py test_runner.py): Finish the refactoring, and add a test that goes twice through the ...12:08
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kenaan03arigo 10r6561514 pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/backend/llvm 05A(test_1st.py) 06D(test_runner.py) 07M(llvm_rffi.py runner.py test_llvm_rffi.py): Rename test_runner to test_1st. ...14:41
kenaan03arigo 10r6561614 pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/backend/llvm 05A(test_runner.py) 07M(llvm_rffi.py runner.py): Start porting runner_test.py. ...14:49
kenaan03arigo 10r6561714 pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/backend/llvm 07M(llvm_rffi.py runner.py test_runner.py): Pass test_binary_operations. ...14:51
kenaan03arigo 10r6561814 pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/backend/llvm 07M(runner.py test_runner.py): test_unary_operations. ...14:56
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fijalhi15:39
fijalarigato: I fixed a bug you described15:43
fijalbut it still explodes with something else15:43
arigatoah15:47
arigatoI wouldn't mind getting slightly more information15:47
arigatoe.g. which bug?15:47
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fijalthe one about gc&jit interaction you described15:49
kenaan03david 10r6561914 07M(pypy/branch/io-lang/pypy/lang/io/objspace.py): Add Number to the slots of Core ...15:56
kenaan03david 10r6562014 pypy/branch/io-lang/pypy/lang/io 07M(model.py number.py test_number.py): Added methods asNumber, divide and multiply to Number ...15:58
fijalarigato: so basically you can try to debug next segfault :)15:58
kenaan03david 10r6562114 05A(pypy/branch/io-lang/pypy/lang/io/io/Number.io): Import io-Number extensions from io repository ...15:59
fijalarigato: I'm trying to fix virtualizables16:00
kenaan03fijal 10r6562214 05A(pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/metainterp/doc/matching_rules.txt): rules for matching spec nodes ...16:01
arigatofijal: are you talking about a fix you did ~2 days ago?16:02
arigatoor more recently?16:02
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fijalthat one, yes16:04
arigatook16:05
arigatothe next bug is caused by invalid tracing16:06
arigatomore precisely, by tracing going into invalid paths16:06
arigatoI have no clue at all if that's caused by a bug in the backend, or if it's really a bug in the frontend16:06
fijal:-/16:06
arigatoso end of story, kind of16:06
fijalwhy?16:06
fijalyou don't feel like debugging it?16:07
fijalwhat about minimal backend with moving gc?16:07
arigatowell, because I don't feel like spending large amounts of time debugging it16:07
arigatothere are not really enough tests around to be sure that things are correct16:07
fijaltests for what?16:07
arigatofor everything -- in particular for the x86 backend16:08
fijalwrite more16:08
fijalfor everything16:08
arigatowell, yes, but something is still wrong16:08
arigatowe are supposed to write tests first :-)16:08
arigatoit's a real pain to write tests now for all the paths in the x86 backend16:09
fijalwe do16:09
fijaltest_random has all paths16:09
arigatowell, test_random is not really testing everything16:09
arigatobut I see the point16:10
arigatomaybe I could try test_random with the moving GCs, or something like that16:10
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kenaan03arigo 10r6562414 pypy/branch/pyjitpl5-experiments/pypy/jit/backend/llvm 07M(demo1.c demo2.cpp demo2.h llvm_rffi.py test_llvm_rffi.py): Add the LLVM_Intrinsic_add_ovf() function, returning the intrinsic function ...16:22
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fijalarigato: yes16:42
fijalarigato: I'm not saying by any chance that work on llvm backend makes no sense though16:43
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fijalgutworth: hi16:48
gutworthhi16:49
gutworthhow are you?16:49
arigatohi16:51
fijalgutworth: good, heading to rocky mountain national park16:51
gutworthoh, fun16:52
gutworthI was there last summer16:52
fijalheh, we should have met :)16:53
fijalI was there a lot last June16:53
gutworthwhich mountains are you going to climb?16:55
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fijalsmall ones16:56
fijalchaos canyon16:56
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fijalhttp://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YuqDv2tXWPk/RrJlf2Up6HI/AAAAAAAABY4/h25n3ZtVCwk/s400/RMNP+063re.jpg16:57
fijallike long's peak?16:57
gutworthyes, I did that one last year16:57
gutworthoh, more vertical climbing :)16:58
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gutworthhow do I get py.test to not reduce the repr size?20:59
gutworthah, codespeak is down :(21:08
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kenaan03benjamin 10r6562914 07M(pypy/branch/parser-compiler/pypy/interpreter/pyparser/metaparser.py): fix small logic error ...21:34
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kenaan03benjamin 10r6563114 pypy/branch/parser-compiler/pypy/interpreter/pyparser 07M(parser.py test_parser.py): add parser implementation ...21:57
kenaan03benjamin 10r6563214 pypy/branch/parser-compiler/pypy/interpreter/pyparser 07M(metaparser.py parser.py test_metaparser.py): make labels a simple list of ints instead a tuple with a unused field ...22:04
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