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| fijal | morning | 08:30 |
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| mwh | morning | 08:39 |
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| antocuni | 'morning | 08:44 |
| fijal | hi mwh, hi anto | 08:47 |
| fijal | mwh: feedback from Michael Foord was also quite positive | 08:50 |
| mwh | fijal: cool | 08:51 |
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| mwh | he's interested in the extcompiler for .net, right? | 08:51 |
| cfbolz | morning! | 08:51 |
| mwh | hi cf | 08:51 |
| fijal | mwh: yes | 08:51 |
| fijal | cfbolz: hi carl | 08:51 |
| mwh | sounds like work to me :) | 08:51 |
| antocuni | hi michael, carl, maciek! | 08:51 |
| cfbolz | by now I really should know better | 08:52 |
| fijal | mwh: he would like to have parts of RPython compiled as libraries to .NET | 08:52 |
| fijal | I don't think it would be that hard to achieve | 08:52 |
| antocuni | it's not hard, but neither trivial | 08:52 |
| cfbolz | my thesis was not accepted because I have a very slight variation on the thesis than what the uni thinks the title is | 08:52 |
| cfbolz | germans | 08:53 |
| mwh | fijal: i guess that's actually easier than making CPython extensions, at least in some ways | 08:53 |
| fijal | cfbolz: what? | 08:53 |
| mwh | cfbolz: ouch :/ | 08:53 |
| fijal | mwh: surely | 08:53 |
| mwh | but also :) | 08:53 |
| antocuni | cfbolz: :-( | 08:53 |
| cfbolz | well, not too bad | 08:53 |
| fijal | cfbolz: what now?> | 08:53 |
| cfbolz | I have to get a letter from michaeL stating that the titles are equivalent | 08:53 |
| fijal | heh :) | 08:54 |
| antocuni | btw, about the compiler for .NET | 08:54 |
| mwh | michaeL is a very useful man :) | 08:54 |
| antocuni | I'm not sure if the best way to go in that direction is to write extend the extcompiler | 08:55 |
| antocuni | s/write// | 08:55 |
| cfbolz | antocuni: why not? | 08:55 |
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| mwh | http://weblog.lonelylion.com/2007/04/16/first-pycon-now-the-olympics/ :) | 08:55 |
| antocuni | probably it's easier to provide a general compiler for .NET | 08:55 |
| antocuni | i.e., equivalent to C$ | 08:55 |
| antocuni | C# | 08:55 |
| antocuni | IronPython can already uses that kind of libraries seamlessy | 08:56 |
| Action: antocuni can't really type correctly this morning :-( | 08:56 | |
| cfbolz | ah, I see | 08:56 |
| fijal | antocuni: well, what's the difference? | 08:56 |
| cfbolz | antocuni: ironpython does this kind of wrapping already, so the extcompiler does not have to do it, right? | 08:56 |
| fijal | I mean you need completely different hacks than extcompiler for C | 08:57 |
| antocuni | more or less yes | 08:57 |
| fijal | ah cool | 08:57 |
| antocuni | in the C#-like case you don't have to know nothing about the ironpython api | 08:57 |
| cfbolz | something similar is true for jython too, I guess | 08:57 |
| antocuni | probablyu | 08:57 |
| fijal | cool :) | 08:57 |
| fijal | so it would be very easy than | 08:57 |
| antocuni | well, maybe an extcompiler-like tool would be useful as well | 08:57 |
| antocuni | you could mix app-level and interp-level code in the same module | 08:58 |
| antocuni | but I think that at the moment it's much more usefult the general compiler for .NET | 08:58 |
| cfbolz | antocuni: well, you can create some python code that interfaces nicely | 08:58 |
| cfbolz | s/create/generate | 08:58 |
| antocuni | sure | 08:58 |
| antocuni | this task will probably be the first I work on as soon as I restart to code :-) | 08:59 |
| antocuni | and Michael Foord told me he's interested in trying it at work | 08:59 |
| fijal | antocuni: he definitely is | 09:00 |
| fijal | I think he's quite scared by maturity of all of the pypy | 09:00 |
| fijal | but is eager to try anyway | 09:00 |
| cfbolz | fijal: you mean by lack of maturity, I guess? | 09:01 |
| fijal | cfbolz: yes | 09:01 |
| fijal | I've tried to emphasis that parts, ie extcompiler are not worth trying in production environment yet | 09:01 |
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| xorAxAx | cfbolz: hmm, what kind of difference was there that could be made such a fuzz about? | 09:06 |
| cfbolz | xorAxAx: they said they would make a fuzz about "every" difference | 09:07 |
| xorAxAx | how can they judge the difference without having read the thesis? did they just look at the abstract? | 09:08 |
| cfbolz | only at the title page | 09:08 |
| xorAxAx | how can they make out the difference if they just look at one side? | 09:08 |
| cfbolz | there is a title that I was registered with, and it is a slightly different one on the title page | 09:09 |
| xorAxAx | ah! | 09:09 |
| xorAxAx | ok | 09:09 |
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| antocuni | hi armin! | 09:23 |
| arigo | morning! | 09:27 |
| xorAxAx | hi arigo | 09:29 |
| mwh | morning armin | 09:31 |
| arigo | morning | 09:37 |
| arigo | argh, CPython HEAD still contains strange new checks about what kind of metaclass is ok and what kind is not? | 09:38 |
| arigo | I thought I reverted this | 09:39 |
| cfbolz | hi armin! | 09:40 |
| arigo | hi! | 09:40 |
| cfbolz | so, my thesis is officially handed in just in time | 09:40 |
| cfbolz | (and I have a form to prove it) | 09:41 |
| arigo | (oh well, I just meant to revert it but never did it, apparently) | 09:42 |
| arigo | cfbolz: fiesta tonight! :-) | 09:42 |
| cfbolz | arigo: something like this :-) | 09:43 |
| antocuni | cfbolz: congrats | 09:44 |
| antocuni | when are you graduating? | 09:44 |
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| cfbolz | antocuni: there are some things missing still | 09:48 |
| cfbolz | hi samuele | 09:48 |
| pedronis | hi | 09:48 |
| cfbolz | antocuni: a professor didn't tell the results of one of my exams to the office that's responsible yet. will have to chase him to do it | 09:50 |
| cfbolz | antocuni: and I still have to give a talk about my thesis | 09:50 |
| antocuni | ah, so that kind of things happen also in germany :-) | 09:51 |
| antocuni | it was the same for me | 09:51 |
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| picxk | hmm | 11:06 |
| picxk | what would be the implication of the stackless pypy on the rest of the system? | 11:06 |
| picxk | for instance, scheduler, h/w | 11:06 |
| picxk | parallelism pattern..., etc. | 11:07 |
| picxk | for instance, taskelets only(?) communicates through channels, so does this mean | 11:07 |
| picxk | that snoopy cache coherence is not proper for stackless pypy? | 11:08 |
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| mwh | well, as currently implemented it's all at rather a higher level than that | 11:27 |
| picxk | what about scheduler or gc? | 11:48 |
| picxk | does stackless pypy need some support from them? | 11:48 |
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| mwh | nope | 12:07 |
| mwh | well | 12:07 |
| mwh | what do you mean by scheduler? | 12:07 |
| picxk | could be os scheduler, could be scheduler for tasklets | 12:17 |
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| picxk | it seems like stackless pypy gets benefits from gc framework in pypy... so | 12:18 |
| mwh | well, pypy doesn't provide any kind of sophisticated scheduling itself | 12:18 |
| mwh | you could probably write some, not really sure | 12:18 |
| mwh | the logic space needs both stackless and the framework gc, but for different reasons | 12:19 |
| picxk | what reasons are they? | 12:21 |
| mwh | it uses coroutines for concurrency, and the framework gc for cloning computation spaces | 12:22 |
| mwh | (i think, i'm not exactly an expert on it) | 12:22 |
| cfbolz | mwh: sounds right | 12:23 |
| picxk | why does it need a special gc or gc framework for cloning computation spaces? | 12:23 |
| cfbolz | how else would you clone something? | 12:24 |
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| fijal | antocuni: re-hi | 14:07 |
| antocuni | re-hi maciek | 14:08 |
| fijal | antocuni: what do you think about ext-compiler for .NET? Do you plan to do one, or are rather waiting for someone to do it? | 14:08 |
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| antocuni | I plan to write a general rpython compiler for .NET | 14:11 |
| antocuni | whose output can be reused also from C#, VB.NET, etc. | 14:12 |
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| fijal | antocuni: aha | 14:16 |
| fijal | antocuni: but than how easy would be to provide bindings for IronPython? Probably not hard | 14:16 |
| antocuni | IronPython can import any .NET library for free | 14:16 |
| antocuni | so the rpython compiler would produce code reusable also from IronPython | 14:17 |
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| pedronis | antocuni: but's what the speed difference between general bindings and specific bindings. In jython at the moment can be quite big | 14:18 |
| pedronis | (reflection vs. not) | 14:18 |
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| antocuni | I guess that there would not be any difference because of the way IronPython works | 14:19 |
| antocuni | for example | 14:19 |
| antocuni | python integers are represented as .NET boxed integers | 14:19 |
| antocuni | so I can't see how the "specific bindings for IronPython" would speed up things | 14:20 |
| fijal | I was thinking a bit about limitations of IronPython | 14:20 |
| fijal | ie xxx.__class__ = stuff | 14:20 |
| fijal | will not work at all | 14:20 |
| fijal | but that doesn't come for free, ie there are penalties for that (which are the main difference I think) | 14:21 |
| antocuni | in which context? | 14:21 |
| fijal | in IronPython you cannot change __class__ at runtime | 14:21 |
| fijal | I think you cannot modify a class attribute | 14:21 |
| fijal | at all | 14:21 |
| fijal | you cannot access frames, etc. | 14:21 |
| antocuni | ok, but how is this related with the ext-compiler? | 14:22 |
| fijal | not at all :) | 14:23 |
| antocuni | ah, ok :-) | 14:23 |
| fijal | I was rather thinking how to optimize stuff, using default .NET frames and going back to frame simulation just in case | 14:23 |
| fijal | this would need some notion of virtual xxx or sth | 14:24 |
| antocuni | do you mean for pypy-cli? | 14:24 |
| fijal | yes | 14:24 |
| fijal | but this will need some pypy interpreter changes, which would be hardly general | 14:24 |
| antocuni | I think so | 14:25 |
| fijal | a bit like virtual frames in jit | 14:25 |
| antocuni | we could also think about generating .NET bytecode instead of python bytecode | 14:26 |
| antocuni | as IronPython does | 14:26 |
| fijal | sounds like jit backend :) | 14:26 |
| fijal | that would make more sense to do it just-in-time | 14:26 |
| antocuni | no, I mean at compile time | 14:26 |
| fijal | if we have technology, why not do it | 14:27 |
| fijal | s/do/use/ | 14:27 |
| antocuni | yes, it's a possibility | 14:27 |
| fijal | would need some style of ootypesystem jit | 14:27 |
| fijal | but still I guess even easier to do than x86 one | 14:27 |
| fijal | can you modify .NET bytecode at runtime? | 14:28 |
| antocuni | armin told me that it would not be so hard to port the jit to ootype | 14:28 |
| antocuni | I don't know | 14:28 |
| fijal | cool :) | 14:28 |
| antocuni | but I guess not | 14:28 |
| fijal | but anyway, sounds like a great opportunity | 14:28 |
| fijal | why not? | 14:28 |
| antocuni | sure | 14:28 |
| fijal | I would start from stackless though ;-) | 14:28 |
| antocuni | the main blocker now is my professor | 14:28 |
| antocuni | he wants me to work on the rpython-compiler | 14:29 |
| fijal | ? | 14:29 |
| fijal | what is rpython-compiler? | 14:29 |
| antocuni | the rpython compiler for .net | 14:30 |
| antocuni | let's call it rpython# :-) | 14:30 |
| fijal | what's difference between rpython compiler and pypy's cli backend? | 14:31 |
| antocuni | not much | 14:31 |
| antocuni | generally speaking, it must be more user-friendly | 14:31 |
| antocuni | moreover, we have to get rid of name mangling | 14:32 |
| antocuni | and find a way to specify explicit signatures for functions | 14:32 |
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| antocuni | because if we compile a library we don't have en entry-point | 14:32 |
| fijal | well, that's easy | 14:33 |
| antocuni | yes | 14:33 |
| antocuni | I'll begin working on it very soon | 14:34 |
| fijal | ok | 14:34 |
| antocuni | next, I have to polish the static bindings for .NET | 14:34 |
| antocuni | beacuse so far they are quite hackish | 14:34 |
| fijal | heh | 14:35 |
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| mwh | er | 15:33 |
| mwh | http://www2.openend.se/~pedronis/pypy-c-test/allworkingmodules/42080/index.html | 15:33 |
| mwh | segfaulting tests? | 15:33 |
| pedronis | yep | 15:33 |
| pedronis | not good | 15:34 |
| mwh | fijal's string formatting stuff? | 15:34 |
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| pedronis | possibly yes | 15:36 |
| pedronis | is not like there's been a lot of checkins recently | 15:36 |
| pedronis | but there's been some other changes too here and there | 15:36 |
| cfbolz | mwh: armin planned to refactor it on the train | 15:37 |
| mwh | oh indeed | 15:37 |
| mwh | i wonder if he will fix the bugs too :) | 15:37 |
| pedronis | since when the tests are segfaulting | 15:37 |
| mwh | (if indeed this is where the bugs are) | 15:37 |
| mwh | seems around 42000 | 15:37 |
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| pauldeg | hi everyone | 16:04 |
| xorAxAx | hi pauldeg | 16:04 |
| xorAxAx | good morning :) | 16:04 |
| pauldeg | just an update where I am: finishing up Antonio's thesis | 16:04 |
| pauldeg | hahaha good evening :) (Where are you located?) | 16:05 |
| xorAxAx | germany | 16:05 |
| xorAxAx | 5 pm here | 16:05 |
| pauldeg | awesome, I guess correct then! | 16:06 |
| xorAxAx | i usually just say moin, regardless of the actual daytim | 16:06 |
| xorAxAx | e | 16:06 |
| cfbolz | xorAxAx: moin means good anyway | 16:07 |
| pauldeg | cool | 16:07 |
| pauldeg | cfbolz: hi carl, how's it going? | 16:08 |
| xorAxAx | cfbolz: not directly, but i think people dont agree on it - http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinEtymology | 16:08 |
| antocuni | hi paul! | 16:09 |
| pauldeg | hi antonio! | 16:09 |
| pauldeg | buona sera | 16:09 |
| cfbolz | pauldeg: hi paul | 16:10 |
| cfbolz | xorAxAx: who disagrees? | 16:10 |
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| antocuni | pauldeg: :-) | 16:10 |
| xorAxAx | cfbolz: well, read the page, non-scientists disagree there and e.g. the WP article also disagrees with that wikipage (providing only sparse references to sources) | 16:10 |
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| antocuni | pauldeg: I won't be at home from tomorrow until saturday, I don't know how much I'll be able to be online | 16:14 |
| antocuni | feel free to send me an email if you need something | 16:14 |
| cfbolz | xorAxAx: then I am too lazy to dig through the whole discussion just to find some badly-reasoned disagreement :-) | 16:15 |
| cfbolz | pauldeg: you can probably also ask the other pypyers if you have problems | 16:15 |
| pauldeg | antocuni: So far things have been making a lot of sense to me, in fact I found a place where I had the wrong mental model about something | 16:15 |
| xorAxAx | cfbolz: the above wikipage shows different oppinions and i havent found scientific sources for any of them (but i havent seriously digged either :)) | 16:15 |
| pauldeg | cfbolz: thanks! | 16:16 |
| pauldeg | Where does niko go to school? | 16:16 |
| pauldeg | MIT? | 16:16 |
| cfbolz | xorAxAx: the moin = good theory is (fwliw) taught at universities: I got it from my girlfriend, who has it from some lecture | 16:16 |
| cfbolz | pauldeg: no, he is at ETH Zürich, I think | 16:17 |
| pauldeg | ohhh awesome | 16:17 |
| xorAxAx | cfbolz: oh well, maybe she has some sources | 16:17 |
| pauldeg | There's a Niko at Drexel, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't him hahaha | 16:17 |
| cfbolz | xorAxAx: I guess I could ask her, if you are really interested | 16:18 |
| cfbolz | hah. moinmoin.org does not give you what you would expect | 16:18 |
| xorAxAx | cfbolz: yeah, as much as i am studying a cultural science, i am :) | 16:18 |
| cfbolz | xorAxAx: ok, will do then :-) | 16:19 |
| xorAxAx | cool | 16:19 |
| cfbolz | (mind you, it will most likely to be some ethymology dictionary or something) | 16:20 |
| xorAxAx | perfectly ok :) | 16:26 |
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| mwh | pauldeg: hmm, i don't think i actually set up your codespeak account yet did i? | 16:44 |
| pauldeg | mwh: I never got an email confirmation from you | 16:45 |
| pauldeg | I was going to email you again today to check the status on that | 16:45 |
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| mwh | pauldeg: right, you should be able to log in now as pdg (paul was indeed already taken) | 16:47 |
| pauldeg | mwh: awesome, thanks a lot! | 16:48 |
| mwh | next step is to try "svn mkdir http://codespeak.net/svn/user/pdg" | 16:50 |
| pauldeg | ok | 16:50 |
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| fijal | oops | 16:51 |
| cfbolz | ? | 16:52 |
| fijal | segfaulting pypy-c | 16:53 |
| fijal | seems to be my fault | 16:53 |
| fijal | ah, got it | 16:53 |
| fijal | space.getitem(None, space.wrap('stuff')) | 16:54 |
| cfbolz | why should that segfault? | 16:54 |
| fijal | ? | 16:54 |
| fijal | it's interp-level None | 16:54 |
| fijal | but not None in a sense None, it's just an empty instance of sth | 16:55 |
| cfbolz | a, None but not w_None | 16:56 |
| fijal | yes, I'm fixing | 16:56 |
| pauldeg | mwh: my password for pdg isn't working, any ideas? | 16:57 |
| Nick change: __doc__ -> __off__ | 16:58 | |
| mwh | you can log in, but not commit to svn? | 16:58 |
| mwh | this happened before, and i forgot which bit i had to thwack to get it to work | 16:58 |
| pauldeg | I go to make a commit, approve the message, and when I enter the username pdg, and the password for the shh2 key i sent you, it doesn't authenticate | 16:58 |
| pauldeg | is this also an ssh account? or just svn username and password? | 16:59 |
| fijal | ugh | 16:59 |
| mwh | um | 16:59 |
| mwh | it's an ssh account | 16:59 |
| fijal | with methodcache patch, one unicode test seems to be failing | 17:00 |
| mwh | the key you sent me doesn't have a password, that's associated with the private part you didn't send me :) | 17:00 |
| braintone | fijal - r42131 - pypy/dist/pypy/objspace/std - Use space.w_None instead of real None, bad fijal. | 17:00 |
| mwh | if you ssh pdg@codespeak.net | 17:00 |
| fijal | mwh: newline issues? | 17:00 |
| mwh | you'll find your unix password in ~/.ssh/password | 17:01 |
| mwh | fijal: i don't think so | 17:01 |
| fijal | mwh: the key must be pasted without newlines | 17:01 |
| mwh | fijal: um | 17:01 |
| mwh | fijal: where did you get that idea of a problem from? | 17:01 |
| fijal | happened to me few times | 17:02 |
| mwh | ok, but i don't think it's the issue here :) | 17:02 |
| fijal | :) | 17:02 |
| fijal | mwh: I think this was it few tuatara keys or so, doesn't matter | 17:03 |
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| pauldeg | mwh: just the key part, or do i need the proc-type header too? | 17:08 |
| mwh | pauldeg: ? | 17:08 |
| pauldeg | mwh: pasting the dsa private key in password | 17:08 |
| pauldeg | mwh: ? | 17:08 |
| mwh | no no | 17:09 |
| mwh | you now have a shell account on codespeak.net | 17:09 |
| mwh | which has the key you sent me in .ssh/authorized_keys | 17:09 |
| pauldeg | correct, and I can ssh | 17:09 |
| fijal | mwh: segfault should be fixed by now | 17:10 |
| mwh | right | 17:10 |
| mwh | so you can use svn+ssh: to access the repo | 17:10 |
| mwh | or if you want to use http:// urls you need your unix password | 17:10 |
| mwh | which is in ~pdg/.ssh/password | 17:11 |
| pauldeg | ohhhhh, ok, i get what you mean now | 17:11 |
| mwh | good | 17:11 |
| mwh | apologies for being unclear:) | 17:11 |
| pauldeg | hahaha no worries at all :) | 17:12 |
| mwh | pauldeg: is it working? | 17:22 |
| pauldeg | mwh: hahah yes it is. I had some typos in my path, but I'm better now | 17:23 |
| mwh | cool | 17:24 |
| pauldeg | mwh: thanks for your help and patience | 17:24 |
| mwh | np | 17:24 |
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| pauldeg_ | dialtone: scott? | 17:42 |
| cfbolz | pauldeg_: no | 17:42 |
| pauldeg_ | ohhh ok, just curious | 17:42 |
| cfbolz | that is valentino | 17:42 |
| pauldeg_ | ohh ok, thanks | 17:42 |
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| fijal | hi christian | 19:25 |
| pauldeg | fijal: what's christian's alias | 19:26 |
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| fijal | pauldeg: stakkars | 19:28 |
| pauldeg | ohh cool | 19:28 |
| pauldeg | thanks | 19:28 |
| fijal | pauldeg: are you doing some development regarding pypy right now? | 19:40 |
| pauldeg | fijal: jvm backend enhancements, jsr223 bindings | 19:40 |
| pauldeg | at this very moment, no :) | 19:40 |
| fijal | I know *what* are you doing, was just asking about now | 19:41 |
| fijal | anyway, if you feel at any point we can help you somehow ask on channel | 19:41 |
| pauldeg | fijal: thanks! I appreciate that | 19:41 |
| braintone | afa - r42135 - pypy/dist/pypy/rlib/test - rsocket intermittent failure: win32 sockets seem to need a few cycles to transfer data | 19:41 |
| pauldeg | I'm finishing reading antonio's thesis | 19:41 |
| fijal | good :) | 19:43 |
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| braintone | afa - r42136 - in pypy/dist/pypy: module/rsocketnmodule/rsocket/test rlib rlib/test - rsocket progress on win32: hide socket.dup, add implementation of inet_aton | 20:52 |
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| braintone | afa - r42137 - in pypy/dist/pypy: module/rsocketnmodule/rsocket/test rlib - Hide socket.inet_pton (inet_ntop does exist and works) on win32 + win32 may return errno.WSAEINVAL instead of EINVAL Only one failing test in rsocket module! But many functions are not tested at... | 21:13 |
| braintone | afa - r42138 - pypy/dist/pypy/module/rsocket/test - This test should not run on win32, after all. | 21:18 |
| braintone | afa - r42139 - in pypy/dist/pypy: module/rsocketnmodule/rsocket/test rlib - Correction of previous checkin: on win32 inet_ntop can detect correctly bogus args, but is unable to work in the normal case... :( Untested code never works! | 21:46 |
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| braintone | afa - r42140 - in pypy/dist/pypy: module/rsocket rlib - Call WSAStartup() on module import. Also hide two functions invalid on win32 | 22:28 |
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| simonp1 | i just presently wished that i could __extend__ multiple classes.. | 22:40 |
| simonp1 | it just works (TM) | 22:46 |
| fijal | simonp1: :) | 22:58 |
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| fijal | re-hi carl | 23:13 |
| cfbolz | hi | 23:15 |
| fijal | cfbolz: how's your thesis, submitted? | 23:18 |
| cfbolz | yip | 23:20 |
| fijal | nice :) | 23:21 |
| fijal | congrats | 23:21 |
| fijal | and gn :) | 23:21 |
| cfbolz | night! | 23:21 |
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