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[01:25] <GoGi> Hi
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[03:00] <stakkars> arigo: I fear this is not true.
[03:00] <stakkars> by importing at the global level, but not doing the imports immediately,
[03:00] <stakkars> a global (but useless) reference to the module is created, and we get
[03:01] <stakkars> an dependancy. This was the cause for the release crash, btw.
[03:01] <stakkars> I could do something against it by wiping unreferenced stuff from the globals, I think.
[03:09] <stakkars> arigo: the import *is* seen, because it puts the module into the globals
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[09:32] <aleale> stakkars: thanks for clearing that issue (I thought I was going crazy)
[09:33] <aleale> We have found a better solution for the problem at hand. We mimic CPythons behaviour
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[11:21] <stakkars> aleale: did you check it in? What was the solution?
[11:22] <stakkars> btw. I think the import behavior of geninterp is insane, now. We should revert to having the extra parameter.
[11:27] <aleale> The problem was that to get the encodings regitered in the codecs registry I had to import encodings.
[11:28] <aleale> I did that in a modified codecs.py (there was something there to help the modulefinder get to know encodings)
[11:29] <aleale> but the modified codecs.py wasn't picked up because it was in modified-2.3.4 and not in lib (where geninterplevel looked)
[11:30] <aleale> The solution is for the lookup function to import encodings if no search functions are found
[11:31] <aleale> it is checked in as lib/inprogress__codecs.py
[11:31] <aleale> Armin would run the regression tests, because they do not work on windows
[11:32] <aleale> I am running some them now (not with py.test). It takes a long time to finish
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[15:20] <cfbolz> hi all!
[15:21] <hpk> hi carl and bye :-)
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[15:21] <cfbolz> ok :-)
[15:32] <ericvrp> hi all
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[18:25] <cfbolz> hi!
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[18:26] <arigo> hi!
[18:26] <cfbolz> arigo: you greatly confused me with your comment about the 'graph' attribute
[18:27] <cfbolz> this is not yet implemented, it seems :-)
[18:27] <arigo> oups oups
[18:27] <arigo> yes, I see now that it actually uses _callable=spec_function
[18:27] <cfbolz> yes, I found that
[18:28] <arigo> sorry about that
[18:28] <cfbolz> no problem, it gave me a nice tour through lltype
[18:28] <arigo> :-)
[18:29] <cfbolz> I started rewriting genllvm -- no most tests break, because I call RPythonTyper.specialize
[18:29] <cfbolz> and this raises exceptions for most functions genllvm uses
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[18:30] <arigo> specialize() should leave alone operations it doesn't know about
[18:30] <arigo> that would be very useful for now
[18:30] <cfbolz> not now :-)
[18:31] <cfbolz> I mean, it doesn't do so now
[18:31] <arigo> yes, sorry (that was a wish)
[18:31] <cfbolz> this is all no problem -- I have enough to do to implement lltypes in genllvm
[18:36] <cfbolz> is there an explicit "cast" operation planned for the low level flow graphs?
[18:37] <arigo> yes, between pointer types
[18:37] <arigo> I guess we need one between primitive types, too
[18:38] <arigo> what does LLVM require?
[18:38] <cfbolz> explicit casting between unsigned and signed
[18:38] <cfbolz> and float as well
[18:38] <arigo> I see
[18:38] <cfbolz> -- no implicit conversion
[18:38] <cfbolz> maybe that's the use case for the first typer option :-)
[18:39] <arigo> there are exact equivalants of int_add and uint_add operations?
[18:39] <cfbolz> what do you mean?
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[18:39] <arigo> when you add, you must either add two signed, or two unsigned, explicitely?
[18:39] <cfbolz> yes
[18:39] <arigo> ok
[18:39] <arigo> I guess we can just use this as a rule for the rtyper
[18:39] <cfbolz> it gives very funny errors if you don't
[18:40] <cfbolz> llvm complains about a variable not found: int %a and uint %a are different variables
[18:40] <cfbolz> so if you do %r = add int %a, %b
[18:40] <cfbolz> and %b is actually uint, it still looks for int %b
[18:40] <arigo> I see
[18:41] <arigo> explicit casts are fine for C too, so it's not a problem
[18:41] <cfbolz> ok. this would go into rtype_convert_from_to?
[18:41] <arigo> in fact C would require either explicit casts, or implementing "int_add" as "c = (signed)a + (signed)b", which is less elegant anyway
[18:42] <arigo> yes
[18:42] <cfbolz> ok. slowly I'm getting the picture :-)
[18:44] <cfbolz> I'm going again. See you.
[18:44] <arigo> see you!
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