[00:00] <hpk> pedronis: if you need some good night lecture you could checkout the refactored pypy documentation page :-)
[00:00] <hpk> "lecture" in the german sense not the english one actually
[00:01] <hpk> "lektuere"
[00:04] <arigo> g'night
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[03:35] -deedra (~dmwaters@dmwaters.staff.freenode) to $*- {global notice} Hi all! I really really apologize for that. that is completely my fault. I was fixing the firewall on one of our hubs and messed things up. things are back to normal now. Again I'm really sorry. thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
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[22:09] <arigo> pedronis: I tried running translate_pypy.py targetpypy and fixed an obvious crash
[22:10] <arigo> pedronis: am I stepping on your feet?
[22:10] <pedronis> arigo: no
[22:11] <arigo> :-)
[22:11] <pedronis> I worked on it all day
[22:11] <pedronis> it is fun because it's not completely determistic the order things are analysed
[22:12] <arigo> bouh
[22:12] <pedronis> so you may find I didn't find so far
[22:12] <pedronis> find things
[22:13] <arigo> would it make sense to try to make it deterministic? e.g. by ordering blocks by creation order and always reflowing the oldest pending one or something?
[22:13] <arigo> and a --random flag to turn this off :-)
[22:13] <pedronis> but that's just part of the issue
[22:14] <pedronis> some times we go over the content of a pbc
[22:14] <pedronis> and that causes getflowgraph of the function involved and schedule blocks etc
[22:15] <pedronis> IWO I'm not sure about all the places that can effect order
[22:15] <pedronis> s/IWO/IOW
[22:17] <arigo> I see
[22:17] <pedronis> we would need to look at the for, places that use iterators etc
[22:17] <pedronis> at all
[22:19] <pedronis> arigo: btw today I rediscovered by I need to mark some constants in the annotion of exceptions
[22:19] <pedronis> s/by/why
[22:20] <pedronis> you can end up with SomePBC(Exception subclass) union SomeObject(type_of=)
[22:20] <pedronis> and you loose the type_of in the result
[22:21] <pedronis> you need enough info to mark the SomePBC too with the is_type_of bit
[22:21] <arigo> ah
[22:21] <arigo> I see
[22:23] <pedronis> but I didn't track whether it is a serious problem
[22:23] <pedronis> it seemed to show up in try finallys so that's not too much a problem
[22:23] <pedronis> OTOH I noticed that some of our graph are really very big because of exception handling
[22:24] <pedronis> even in case of a try finally
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