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[00:19] <stakkars> hi
[00:19] <arigo> re-hi
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[00:30] <tea> good morning ~
[00:31] <tea> hpk: thank u :) can I see the code?
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[00:39] <tea> parser takes 2 phase? there is the intermediate expr between tokens and ast,
[00:41] <tea> python has tokenize but compiler/transformer use parser module that C extensin module. im looking for module written in python, fills the phase
[00:43] <arigo> good night for me :-)
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[00:45] <tea> night~ opposite my place
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----- silence for 1 hr and 21 minutes ----- [13:46] <stakkars> hi all!
[13:47] <stakkars> can somebody give me a hint about caching of generated code?
[13:47] <stakkars> Especially, I need a strategy that makes sense.
[13:47] <stakkars> the question(s) is(are):
[13:48] <stakkars> we still have classobjinterp and exceptionsinter files, although Armin said once, they would go away.
[13:49] <stakkars> then, we have this nice builtin folder, which cleanly breaks the builtins into functional groups and divides app and interp level.
[13:49] <stakkars> Now I think, this all should got hrough geninterp.py and produce some temporary python files, to be cached
[13:49] <stakkars> in a folder like module/cache or module/generated, on the user's machine, not going into svn.
[13:50] <stakkars> theremustprobably be some registry for the modules to be translated on demand.
[13:50] <stakkars> where do we put that?
[13:51] <stakkars> Should the __init__ of builtin for instance know that it needs to be cached?
[13:51] <stakkars> Or is there an __init__.py in the module/generated folder, which holds information about modules to be translated?
[13:52] <stakkars> I am ready to build such a beast, but I need to know what the layout should look like.
[14:06] <pedrons> stakkars: I think that hiding the functionality inside applevel is what we want
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----- silence for 1 hr ----- [16:02] <stakkars> sorry,wastolunch
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[16:40] <stakkars> pedronis: for instance,how would the import of classobjinterp look like? Where?
[16:41] <pedronis> well, ideally classobj should just be another .py file under module/builtin
[16:44] <stakkars> you mean, module/builtin/classobj just does what's needed to create the 3 things?
[16:45] <stakkars> while the import is in progress
[16:45] <pedronis> well because of the purify issue is a bit trickier
[16:46] <pedronis> the problem is that running _classobj at app level
[16:46] <pedronis> vs. the geninterp version are a bit different
[16:47] <stakkars> maybe we would want a version that hides this.
[16:49] <pedronis> well the problem are the __slots__
[16:50] <stakkars> aaah
[16:50] <pedronis> wich then global code capture
[16:50] <pedronis> but remove from the classes
[16:51] <pedronis> the removal is lost by the geninterp version
[16:51] <pedronis> so you have to it again with purify
[16:52] <pedronis> I presume you could add special code to geninterp to deal with this case
[16:54] <pedronis> but it's tricky because OTOH the top-level doesn't remove __slots__
[16:54] <pedronis> but purify does
[16:54] <pedronis> becaue if it did it would be even harder to figure out
[16:55] <pedronis> that the slots were there in the first place
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[17:00] <pedronis> stakkars: but I think this a distracting issue
[17:00] <pedronis> we can workaround this in some way
[17:01] <pedronis> exceptions are a more significant problem
[17:01] <pedronis> because they need to be created early
[17:02] <pedronis> and right now they are not loaded using gateway constructs
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